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Posted: June 18 2013 at 04:24
commodorejohn wrote:
Just out of curiousity, does anybody know what the choir sound at the start of "Tarkus" is? I've heard that Keith did all his non-organ/piano parts with synthesizers and didn't use the Mellotron - it's tricky to get good choral sounds out of an analog synth (especially clear, throaty sounds like this one, as opposed to "Star Trek" vocals,) but then I suppose it would be easier with a modular synth like the big ol' Moog...
I'm really curious, because the E-mu Proteus/1 MIDI module includes a sample that is exactly this sound, and I wonder if they sampled it from Keith, or if they both got it from somewhere else...?
Possibly multi-layering vocals (I don't think the Moog could make that vocal sound, if it did it had to be multilayered too, remember that it was monophonic) and the intro was not played in the live versions.
Or perhaps borrowing a Mellotron from the studio or from Eddie Offord.
Although Keith did have a Mellotron, which he did not like and eventually gave to Greg Lake. Greg used it a couple of times for supporting Keith playing Abaddon's Bolero live, but they stopped playing this song live because they used also supporting tapes and they created problems.
The other day I got the "Welcome Back My Friends..." triple LP, and sellotaped to the inside was a 1974 ELP ticket - and, yes, it said "Emmerson" with two M's.
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 01:39
^Multi layered synths and vocals I believe. Eddie Offord was the real producer imo (although Lake took the credit). Emerson had a well know dislike of the Mellotron so I doubt that was used (although Greg Lake may well have owned one)
Just out of curiousity, does anybody know what the choir sound at the start of "Tarkus" is? I've heard that Keith did all his non-organ/piano parts with synthesizers and didn't use the Mellotron - it's tricky to get good choral sounds out of an analog synth (especially clear, throaty sounds like this one, as opposed to "Star Trek" vocals,) but then I suppose it would be easier with a modular synth like the big ol' Moog...
I'm really curious, because the E-mu Proteus/1 MIDI module includes a sample that is exactly this sound, and I wonder if they sampled it from Keith, or if they both got it from somewhere else...?
Edited by commodorejohn - June 18 2013 at 01:30
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Posted: September 26 2012 at 11:32
I personally love ELP and don't care what critics say, music is a purely personal thing, and you have to accept that other people will often hate what you like and vice versa. It doesn't mean their opinion is any more valid than your own.
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Posted: September 26 2012 at 01:58
giselle wrote:
Outstanding musicians who were encouraged to take things too far.
I wonder who encouraged them though , the fans? , the record company? They were formed with a purpose and got tagged a 'supergroup' which I suppose left them with something to live up to. It could only go one way really.
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Posted: September 22 2012 at 14:33
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
presdoug wrote:
I would recommend Pictures At An Exhibition-Special Edition and Emerson, Lake and Palmer Live at Montreux 1997. The Pictures DVD, has some annoying animated parts in the PAAE performance, but some of it is clear of that, and quite endearing-also included in the PAAE Special Edition is some great footage from Belgium in 1971. The 1997 performance is a lot of fun, and they are in great form. Quite a few of my other ELP DVDs are of bootleg quality, though. Though, even in boot quality, i can still appreciate things.
Yeah, I have that Pictures DVD... and it would be great if it weren't for those animated parts... I just don't understand what they were thinking about. Indeed the animated parts come only in some parts of the video... but mostly on those parts in which I want to see the band playing the most.
It was in the early 70's, people was thinking in Psychedelia still.
I got this Genesis video some time ago
The stars are really annoying
Perhaps... but it doesn't make it any less annoying now... for me. So, I don't enjoy it as much as I could. Should give it a new listen though, it was still a great DVD.
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Posted: September 22 2012 at 11:06
Dellinger wrote:
presdoug wrote:
I would recommend Pictures At An Exhibition-Special Edition and Emerson, Lake and Palmer Live at Montreux 1997. The Pictures DVD, has some annoying animated parts in the PAAE performance, but some of it is clear of that, and quite endearing-also included in the PAAE Special Edition is some great footage from Belgium in 1971. The 1997 performance is a lot of fun, and they are in great form. Quite a few of my other ELP DVDs are of bootleg quality, though. Though, even in boot quality, i can still appreciate things.
Yeah, I have that Pictures DVD... and it would be great if it weren't for those animated parts... I just don't understand what they were thinking about. Indeed the animated parts come only in some parts of the video... but mostly on those parts in which I want to see the band playing the most.
It was in the early 70's, people was thinking in Psychedelia still.
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Posted: September 21 2012 at 18:48
presdoug wrote:
I would recommend Pictures At An Exhibition-Special Edition and Emerson, Lake and Palmer Live at Montreux 1997. The Pictures DVD, has some annoying animated parts in the PAAE performance, but some of it is clear of that, and quite endearing-also included in the PAAE Special Edition is some great footage from Belgium in 1971. The 1997 performance is a lot of fun, and they are in great form. Quite a few of my other ELP DVDs are of bootleg quality, though. Though, even in boot quality, i can still appreciate things.
Yeah, I have that Pictures DVD... and it would be great if it weren't for those animated parts... I just don't understand what they were thinking about. Indeed the animated parts come only in some parts of the video... but mostly on those parts in which I want to see the band playing the most.
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Posted: September 21 2012 at 15:30
I would recommend Pictures At An Exhibition-Special Edition and Emerson, Lake and Palmer Live at Montreux 1997. The Pictures DVD, has some annoying animated parts in the PAAE performance, but some of it is clear of that, and quite endearing-also included in the PAAE Special Edition is some great footage from Belgium in 1971. The 1997 performance is a lot of fun, and they are in great form. Quite a few of my other ELP DVDs are of bootleg quality, though. Though, even in boot quality, i can still appreciate things.
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