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Originally posted by Billy Pilgrim Billy Pilgrim wrote:

Nothing from Gilmour is hard to play!! 

Er, yeah, if how beautifully the part is played is absolutely irrelevant and only the physical difficulty is to be rated! Confused  The quality of the rendering is the most important parameter of rating a musician for me and just because the notes by themselves are simple does not mean playing them the way they are meant to be played is.  It is of course your choice, but you are stuck in a "citius, altius, fortius" way of looking at music.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2010 at 10:22
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by James McProgger James McProgger wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by ferush ferush wrote:

Originally posted by TheOppenheimer TheOppenheimer wrote:

i really like pink floyd, and altough they are a bit overrated, i find them amazingevery time i listen to their music.

nevertheless, i find Rush quite superior, and beautiful. that is my opinion, and thus, my vote goes for rush.
 
 
Of course Floyd is overrated by much; Pink Floyd is band for the masses.

I love you guys. So Set Controls for the Heart of the Sun is music for the masses while Entre Nous is for thee, the prog elite, right? Wink

going to the extremes arent we?


"extreme" for PF would be Interstellar Overdrive or Sysyphus or Careful with that Axe Eugene or The Nile Song.... I can't say the extreme for Rush. I have tried their music but they do nothing for me, neither 2112. 
Saying that PF are music for masses means that you know only "Another Brick in The Wall part 2", likely.



You could do the same comparison in the opposite direction if you wanted.
So The Necromancer is music for the masses while Wish You Were Here is for thee, the prog elite, right? Wink

Pink Floyd during their Dark Side of the Moon period had a more commercial sound than Rush did during their 2112 or Hemispheres period. It's not a bad thing, but it's true.

But Rush had a more commercial sound during Permanent Waves-Moving Pictures, not just Floyd circa DSOTM, but even The Wall.  Floyd had the most commercial phase of both bands, that is, the two post-Waters albums but they also had the most experimental phase a la Saucerful of Secrets.  Er, the point was to show that ferush's statement is way off base and reeks of ignorance of Floyd's music. Music for the masses, indeed! And here you all are, rushing to his defense. Confused  
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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by James McProgger James McProgger wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by ferush ferush wrote:

Originally posted by TheOppenheimer TheOppenheimer wrote:

i really like pink floyd, and altough they are a bit overrated, i find them amazingevery time i listen to their music.

nevertheless, i find Rush quite superior, and beautiful. that is my opinion, and thus, my vote goes for rush.
 
 
Of course Floyd is overrated by much; Pink Floyd is band for the masses.

I love you guys. So Set Controls for the Heart of the Sun is music for the masses while Entre Nous is for thee, the prog elite, right? Wink

going to the extremes arent we?


"extreme" for PF would be Interstellar Overdrive or Sysyphus or Careful with that Axe Eugene or The Nile Song.... I can't say the extreme for Rush. I have tried their music but they do nothing for me, neither 2112. 
Saying that PF are music for masses means that you know only "Another Brick in The Wall part 2", likely.



You could do the same comparison in the opposite direction if you wanted.
So The Necromancer is music for the masses while Wish You Were Here is for thee, the prog elite, right? Wink

Pink Floyd during their Dark Side of the Moon period had a more commercial sound than Rush did during their 2112 or Hemispheres period. It's not a bad thing, but it's true.

I could, but as I wrote, I'm not able. My knowledge of Rush is too little. What I say is that it's little because their most acclaimed epic didn't make me wanting to try more. 
I don't trust the equation "commercial=poor". I think 90125 is a great album even if commercial. Caravan's "The Album" is not commercial but it's quite poor.

WYWH is one of my less favourite PF albums. I like more the psychedelic period until Dark Side. Question of tastes not of elitism.  I prefer etilism to elitism, really. Wink
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Originally posted by adace1 adace1 wrote:

No question Rush have got it made in the technical department and have some killer tunes but I gotta go with the majority. PF were true pioneers and influenced a lot more bands than Rush. Also, Rush just doesn't have as solid an album as Dark Side. However, wouldn't it be great if Floyd reformed and went on tour with Rush supporting them? That would be absolutely tremendous.


I'm likin' that idea!!
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I have seen that performance before, great, lots of energy, as only one would expect of them.  But as for Lifeson....first of all, I didn't say Lifeson cannot bend Tongue , secondly, sorry, this is not a good solo. He has this habit of starting off very nicely and then losing the plot as he heads into some rapid playing, which he doesn't make highly interesting to listen to and this performance was no exception.   On the other hand, the bends are nowhere close to as beautiful as Gilmour circa Meddle through to DSOTM, not that I would really expect that in the kind of music Rush play anyway.  


First off, you can't say "this is not a good solo" as it's only a matter of opinion, and I don't think he lost his head at all. It started out slow than got to a great build up, changed structure a couple times, and is extremely diffucult to play. Nothing from Gilmour is hard to play!! Bottom line, it's simple stuff man. It sounds nice, and is pleasing to the ears but it is simple simple guitar playing from a simple everyday guitarist. To each his own I guess. Also, it's quite nice to be able to debate here, without the whole thing turning into an argument.
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No question Rush have got it made in the technical department and have some killer tunes but I gotta go with the majority. PF were true pioneers and influenced a lot more bands than Rush. Also, Rush just doesn't have as solid an album as Dark Side. However, wouldn't it be great if Floyd reformed and went on tour with Rush supporting them? That would be absolutely tremendous.
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by James McProgger James McProgger wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by ferush ferush wrote:

Originally posted by TheOppenheimer TheOppenheimer wrote:

i really like pink floyd, and altough they are a bit overrated, i find them amazingevery time i listen to their music.

nevertheless, i find Rush quite superior, and beautiful. that is my opinion, and thus, my vote goes for rush.
 
 
Of course Floyd is overrated by much; Pink Floyd is band for the masses.

I love you guys. So Set Controls for the Heart of the Sun is music for the masses while Entre Nous is for thee, the prog elite, right? Wink

going to the extremes arent we?


"extreme" for PF would be Interstellar Overdrive or Sysyphus or Careful with that Axe Eugene or The Nile Song.... I can't say the extreme for Rush. I have tried their music but they do nothing for me, neither 2112. 
Saying that PF are music for masses means that you know only "Another Brick in The Wall part 2", likely.



You could do the same comparison in the opposite direction if you wanted.
So The Necromancer is music for the masses while Wish You Were Here is for thee, the prog elite, right? Wink

Pink Floyd during their Dark Side of the Moon period had a more commercial sound than Rush did during their 2112 or Hemispheres period. It's not a bad thing, but it's true.
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Originally posted by James McProgger James McProgger wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by ferush ferush wrote:

Originally posted by TheOppenheimer TheOppenheimer wrote:

i really like pink floyd, and altough they are a bit overrated, i find them amazingevery time i listen to their music.

nevertheless, i find Rush quite superior, and beautiful. that is my opinion, and thus, my vote goes for rush.
 
 
Of course Floyd is overrated by much; Pink Floyd is band for the masses.

I love you guys. So Set Controls for the Heart of the Sun is music for the masses while Entre Nous is for thee, the prog elite, right? Wink

going to the extremes arent we?
"extreme" for PF would be Interstellar Overdrive or Sysyphus or Careful with that Axe Eugene or The Nile Song.... I can't say the extreme for Rush. I have tried their music but they do nothing for me, neither 2112. 
Saying that PF are music for masses means that you know only "Another Brick in The Wall part 2", likely.

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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by ferush ferush wrote:

Originally posted by TheOppenheimer TheOppenheimer wrote:

i really like pink floyd, and altough they are a bit overrated, i find them amazingevery time i listen to their music.

nevertheless, i find Rush quite superior, and beautiful. that is my opinion, and thus, my vote goes for rush.
 
 
Of course Floyd is overrated by much; Pink Floyd is band for the masses.

I love you guys. So Set Controls for the Heart of the Sun is music for the masses while Entre Nous is for thee, the prog elite, right? Wink

going to the extremes arent we?
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Originally posted by ferush ferush wrote:

Originally posted by TheOppenheimer TheOppenheimer wrote:

i really like pink floyd, and altough they are a bit overrated, i find them amazingevery time i listen to their music.

nevertheless, i find Rush quite superior, and beautiful. that is my opinion, and thus, my vote goes for rush.
 
 
Of course Floyd is overrated by much; Pink Floyd is band for the masses.

I love you guys. So Set Controls for the Heart of the Sun is music for the masses while Entre Nous is for thee, the prog elite, right? Wink


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I have seen that performance before, great, lots of energy, as only one would expect of them.  But as for Lifeson....first of all, I didn't say Lifeson cannot bend Tongue , secondly, sorry, this is not a good solo. He has this habit of starting off very nicely and then losing the plot as he heads into some rapid playing, which he doesn't make highly interesting to listen to and this performance was no exception.   On the other hand, the bends are nowhere close to as beautiful as Gilmour circa Meddle through to DSOTM, not that I would really expect that in the kind of music Rush play anyway.  
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Originally posted by TheOppenheimer TheOppenheimer wrote:

i really like pink floyd, and altough they are a bit overrated, i find them amazingevery time i listen to their music.

nevertheless, i find Rush quite superior, and beautiful. that is my opinion, and thus, my vote goes for rush.
 
 
Of course Floyd is overrated by much; Pink Floyd is band for the masses.
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Floyd music is lightless but Rush music's got brightness.
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^ Remember J-man...the word "overrated" is overrated.
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LOL The funny thing is that I absolutely hate using that word... it makes it seem as though I'm being condescending upon everyone else. But there are some cases (like this one) where I didn't know what else I could use. Tongue

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^ Remember J-man...the word "overrated" is overrated.
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Both are somewhat overrated IMO, but it's definitely Pink Floyd for me, though mostly for Wish You Were Here.

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You're welcome.  Great clip by the way.
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Well thanks very much. I've always wondered..
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and [/tube] after the web address.
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You need to type [tube] before the web address.



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