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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2010 at 09:47
Hmm, I am a metalhead and barring the absolute top tier of prog metal, it doesn't do much for me.  I would rephrase what you said and say that at least to like the melodic side of prog metal, you need to like 80s hair/glam metal or even 80s pop rock like Toto a lot. I do like some aspects of Toto, but it's not my favourite kind of music and that kind of slick, over-conscious mode of expression doesn't agree with me. Unfortunately, it's a very pervasive element of prog metal where metal is brutal (pun intended) abandon.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2010 at 09:36
^Agreed, but I am a metal head as well as a progressive rock adict so maybe my opinions are a bit skewed where as someone who likes the classic rock and progressive rock end of things and metal might be a bit much for them would dislike these genres.  I agree with the OP as well.  I think all these artists are progressive within their prespective sub-genres.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2010 at 07:10
All I know is, it's two great tastes that taste great together.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2010 at 06:18
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

While listening to various progressive metal bands, I've noticed two distinct sub-types within the genre:

1) Progressive rock meets metal (Dream Theater, Pain of Salvation, Ayreon, Riverside)
2) Metal meets progressive rock (Symphony X, Psychotic Waltz, Shadow Gallery, Pagan's Mind)

I consider both equally progressive. Who else thinks this is a valid way of looking at the genre?


I would say that the first categoriy is more progressive, more complex compare to the second category. I prefer the first one, obviously...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2010 at 05:48
Originally posted by watchmen watchmen wrote:

Maybe, like Triceratopsoil said, but I think that Shadow Gallery is more "prog goes metal" than "metal goes prog"; at least their first album is more in that way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2010 at 05:43
There's also

"extreme metal guys go avantgarde"
or
"black metal guys add folk instruments to their sh*t"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2010 at 03:54
Since metal is an established and defined genre, it's the first approach that is, at least in theory, more progressive.  Except, prog goes metal to me really means stuff like Red, Larks Tongue In Aspic PtII, Pantagruel's Nativity and so on.  I cannot really draw such a significant line of distinction between say DT and SX.  DT have become more and more metalized over the years, but even from the beginning the main difference between them and SX was that DT's base was the more commercial and mainstream 80s hair metal and to an extent heavy metal, with some influence of Metallica in the riffs where SX's was traditional and power metal.  However, the base for both was clearly metal to begin with and not progressive rock.  PoS are a step away from what you describe in some songs and ACT get even closer and er, they get called eclectic prog. Confused

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2010 at 22:12
Maybe, like Triceratopsoil said, but I think that Shadow Gallery is more "prog goes metal" than "metal goes prog"; at least their first album is more in that way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2010 at 21:56
aye maybe
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2010 at 21:27
While listening to various progressive metal bands, I've noticed two distinct sub-types within the genre:

1) Progressive rock meets metal (Dream Theater, Pain of Salvation, Ayreon, Riverside)
2) Metal meets progressive rock (Symphony X, Psychotic Waltz, Shadow Gallery, Pagan's Mind)

I consider both equally progressive. Who else thinks this is a valid way of looking at the genre?
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