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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:39 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Alternative doesn't mean anything. Its quite possibly the stupidest term ever concocted to describe music. It has to be an alternative to something, particularly something that is dominant and thus requires an antithetical form to stand in opposition to it. It hardly describes music, and if its the biggest seller its not exactly in any position to be called an alternative to anything.
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The fact that you don't want to operate with it doesn't make it stupid, it only makes you. It's an ambiguous term indeed, but music is not exact science. I like it especially because of its vague meaning. Actually it doesn't have "a meaning", but a semantic sphere. Anyway, anyone who doesn't admit knowing very well what an "alternative" rock band is supposed to sound is an hypocrite.
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Its a term that illustrates nothing save for a power relationship. When you apply it to a dominant exponent of popular music, its worthless.
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Finnforest
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:35 |
Minutemen Midlake Husker Du Fiona Apple The Band Joni Mitchell Bright Eyes Sugarcubes Joe Jackson 10,000 Maniacs Rollins Band Cat Stevens Wilco
eh...just a few....too many to list
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:33 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Alternative doesn't mean anything. Its quite possibly the stupidest term ever concocted to describe music. It has to be an alternative to something, particularly something that is dominant and thus requires an antithetical form to stand in opposition to it. It hardly describes music, and if its the biggest seller its not exactly in any position to be called an alternative to anything.
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The fact that you don't want to operate with it doesn't make it stupid, it only makes you. It's an ambiguous term indeed, but music is not exact science. I like it especially because of its vague meaning. Actually it doesn't have "a meaning", but a semantic sphere. Anyway, anyone who doesn't admit knowing very well what an "alternative" rock band is supposed to sound is an hypocrite.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:28 |
Alternative doesn't mean anything. Its quite possibly the stupidest term ever concocted to describe music. It has to be an alternative to something, particularly something that is dominant and thus requires an antithetical form to stand in opposition to it. It hardly describes music, and if its the biggest seller its not exactly in any position to be called an alternative to anything.
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JROCHA
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:27 |
Curtis Mayfield
George Benson
Stevie Wonder
The Flaming Lips
M83
Local Natives
People Under the Stairs
A Tribe called Quest
Sage Francis
Aesop Rock
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the avalanches
Bat For Lashes
the black angels
Bill Evans Trio
Dave Brubeck
Deftones
Minus the Bear
Black Star
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Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights...
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:24 |
Textbook wrote:
I don't think anyone calls U2 alternative. I've never heard that at least. |
True. They may have been technically alternative up to a point, but then they became larger and larger - from any point of view. I can only describe them as "rock" now.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:24 |
CinemaZebra wrote:
No, 1984. The Unforgettable Fire was the terrible change of style.
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Everything up the first three tracks of Joshua Tree is a logical continuation of what they'd been up to since 1979. After that... god, I still have no way to reconcile their early works to the junk they've been selling ever since.
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rogerthat
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:23 |
I have heard them called that a lot....fine, plain vanilla rock, if you like.
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The Truth
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:23 |
Grunge eventually gained some musical characteristics that made a form of prog we listen to today. But you probably hate it.
Can I feed the troll mommy?
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Textbook
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:21 |
I don't think anyone calls U2 alternative. I've never heard that at least.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:21 |
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CinemaZebra
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:21 |
No, 1984. The Unforgettable Fire was the terrible change of style.
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rogerthat
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:20 |
Textbook wrote:
U2 are not alternative sorry. They're about as vanilla as they get. Oh I know all the reviewers always go on about the brave new experimental sound they're trying on whatever album is the most recent at time of writing but it's a load of cobblers. U2 are plain janes.
And yeah, Walter, alternative doesn't mean 'selling poorly'. |
Alternative is what they are called a lot these days and that's the word I will use. I would rather call mostly every well known alternative band ROCK, I am just using a label for convenience.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:19 |
rogerthat wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
U2, the world's biggest selling band, is "alternative"? What the hell...?
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What do you call Nevermind? Grunge, which is also often put in the alternative basket. |
Grunge is the filth that destroyed music. If I could set every copy of nevermind on fire, I rightfully would in order to avenge the legacy of the dead art. As for U2, they were a pretty good post-punk band up until 1987. They've been making turgid slop ever since.
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Textbook
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:18 |
U2 are not alternative sorry. They're about as vanilla as they get. Oh I know all the reviewers always go on about the brave new experimental sound they're trying on whatever album is the most recent at time of writing but it's a load of cobblers. U2 are plain janes.
And yeah, Walter, alternative doesn't mean 'selling poorly'.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:16 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
U2, the world's biggest selling band, is "alternative"? What the hell...?
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What does the sales numbers have to do with the musical style?
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rogerthat
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:15 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
U2, the world's biggest selling band, is "alternative"? What the hell...?
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What do you call Nevermind? Grunge, which is also often put in the alternative basket.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:14 |
U2, the world's biggest selling band, is "alternative"? What the hell...?
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rogerthat
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:11 |
Far too many. I will keep out jazz proper and stick to rock/pop/funk:
Funk/R&B/soul:
Stevie Wonder Earth, Wind & Fire Incognito Jamiroquai Minnie Riperton Funkadelic Michael Jackson Donald Fagen ?
World music ?
Prasanna Ilayaraja
Alternative: U2 REM Jeff Buckley Soundgarden
Metal/proto-metal Judas Priest Scorpions UFO Megadeth Slayer
Edited by rogerthat - August 16 2010 at 21:13
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The Truth
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 21:05 |
A LOT, namely Bob Dylan, Smashing Pumpkins, Neutral Milk Hotel, and the Velvet Underground. A bunch more though.
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