Is Karney allowed back?

tuxon:

As an aside, it just occurred to me that, as correct and noble as your Christian values are - and they are - you (and I) can barely claim to speak for the Christians on the site (as JrKASperov's post indicates), much less to speak for the site as a whole.  Thus, even if you are correct in your interpretation of forgiveness vis-a-vis Christianity, you would not have the right to "impose" that on the other members.  (Might we call this the "separation between church and...site?" )

Peace.

tuxon:

Let us consider an even more appropriate passage:

"Then Peter came to Him and said, 'Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him?  Up to seven times?'  Jesus said to him, 'I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven."

So...should we allow Karney to come back, use vulgarity, personally attack numerous members, send threatening PMs, and be ejected - and allow him to return "seventy times seven" times?

After all, we had to eject Karney four times - each time after he "swore" to "be good."  That was four chances for him to show that he really "learned" something, and really would "be good."  Yet he lied, and betrayed the site, its members, and even Max - who, as noted, championed him against the wishes of the other members of the admin group.

As a Christian, I forgive Karney for his many extremely vulgar personal insults, and his betrayal. However, he has proven, time and again, that he cannot - will not - learn, change, grow, and, as we often put it here, "play nice in the sandbox."  How many "one more chances" are we supposed to give him?

No, unless and until Max and the admin group are in unanimous agreement - which is unlikely at this time - Karney will not be permitted to return and cause havoc on a site that tries to maintain a safe, comfortable and welcoming atmosphere.

Peace.

I never thought that letting or not KE9 again into the forums could become a theological discussion...

According to some opinions here, I guess we should turn the other cheek to Belva, so that he can continue abussing the site...

I won't fight against KE9 readmission, but I think we should ask him something more than a scriptures quote: I guess some apologies to ALL the forum members (if I remember well, the last time he was around he wrote something like "f**k you all"), and personally I'd like some explanation for his behaviour: was he drunk? had him had any problem? does he have some kind of schyzophrenical syndrome? (not kidding, I'm talking about a medical condition). You know, just to evaluate the probability of he misbehaving again...

"Be angry, and do not sin: do not let the sun go down on your wrath, nor give place to the devil."   (Ephesians 4:26-27).

Satan is constantly looking for a way to "push our button" -- to get us angry.  Anger usually starts with a small offense.  That little seed of offense begins to sprout and grow into resentment.  Resentment unrecognized and/or not dealt with then blossoms into bitterness.  Bitterness then blossoms into slow simmering anger, which at that point gives the devil great opportunity to gain a foothold in our lives not only legally, but actually with invitation.

There's good and rightious cause in a continuation of the enflicted ban of our beloved/hated Carney.

But still I prefer a policy of lovingly smothering the evil, above the ignoring of it's excistence

maybe we can teach Carney not only to quote from the bible, but to make him actually believe in the word that is spoken through the bible, directly to him(we need a halowed smiley, to emphasize the saintlyness of the word)

I don't speak (write) in his behalf, I have no need for that, I just like to create awareness of the underlying issue. In a community as this we have no direct contact with each other, and it is easy to ban someone from our community, but in real life you cannot as easily ban a person from social interaction. And isn't it part of society to deal with all aspects of social interactions, even with the unwanted kind?

maani wrote: tuxon: Although you make a good case, there are other factors to consider here.  I can forgive KE9 for everything he has done and said.  What I cannot do - and what the admin group will not do - is permit him to wreak havoc on a site that is home to an extremely diverse group of people, many of whom complained bitterly enough that even Max okayed his ejection.  Note that prior to this, Max had "championed" KE9 consistently, even when KE9 had occasionally "gone overboard."  That Max eventually saw fit to agree to KE9's ejection thus speaks volumes. KE9 is ultimately a perfect example of "the boy who cried wolf."  In this regard, to quote another Scriptural phrase, he has "reaped what he has sown." Peace.

You guys gave him far more chances than I might of and I guess that is a good thing.  The thing I hated about his posting was i would be following some thread and then come across an obsenity laced post blasting you or the admins in general.  It just ruined the thread for me and I  usually would never look at the thread again.  Don't get me wrong I am no prude and obsenties of themselves do not bother me.  But his were direct attacks on people and it just got to be way to much. 

tuxon:

Although you make a good case, there are other factors to consider here.  I can forgive KE9 for everything he has done and said.  What I cannot do - and what the admin group will not do - is permit him to wreak havoc on a site that is home to an extremely diverse group of people, many of whom complained bitterly enough that even Max okayed his ejection.  Note that prior to this, Max had "championed" KE9 consistently, even when KE9 had occasionally "gone overboard."  That Max eventually saw fit to agree to KE9's ejection thus speaks volumes.

KE9 is ultimately a perfect example of "the boy who cried wolf."  In this regard, to quote another Scriptural phrase, he has "reaped what he has sown."

Peace.

Well... he gets radical sometimes, but if everyone would just learn to ignore that behavior when it happens... he usually chills out soon afterwards...

Anyway.. I sort of miss him too!