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Ivan_Melgar_M 
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 Posted: March 28 2010 at 11:36 |
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^ Ivan - Radiohead may not be Prog rock but they are progressive and they do bring a heightened form of music to the masses. |
If they are not part of the Progressuive ocj genre...They don't belog here, no matter how progressive (adjective) they are....And that description "they do bring a heightened form of music to the masses", sounds incredibly prog snob even to me, the purpose of Prog is to bring the joy of music to a sector of the population thatwants something different to top 40's, not to enlighten anybody...At the end, It's just Rock & Roll.
But I said I believe they are part of the genre, unlike I thought some years ago, not enough to put them in the level of Yes, Genesis, ELP, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Kansas, Renaisance, Caravan, Magma, etc, but enough to be here.
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Posted: March 28 2010 at 11:11 |
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I add my voice to everyone who says Can is a prog band. We had in the past discussion about the difference between prog and progressive but Can is an example (actually one of the best examples IMO) to a band that is both.
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Posted: March 28 2010 at 08:51 |
Can is most definitely prog and also a very progressive band. As Easy Livin asked, whoever suggested they aren't? 
Radiohead and Muse...it depends on what you define as prog. Do you place more importance on technicality and odd time signatures or form? If it's the latter, they are definitely much closer to what prog is all about than several modern prog bands whose progginess is generally not questioned. In any case, both make progressive music.
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MaxerJ
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Posted: March 28 2010 at 05:48 |
^ Ivan - Radiohead may not be Prog rock but they are progressive and they do bring a heightened form of music to the masses.
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friso
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Posted: March 28 2010 at 05:19 |
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Can is one of the most progressive bands of prog-history. They were the first to play acid, proto-punk, soundscapes and some of their songs have never aged! They can still be listened to as modern music. I agree with some other bands you mentioned, but Can doesn't deserve a place in this topic.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 27 2010 at 23:59 |
I was against Radioghead inclusion when suggested, still don't believe their Prog credentials (for whatever the credentials count) will grant them a position among the icons of Progressive Rock, but my opinion has changed a lot and I wouldn't question their inclusion today, because they took influences from Prog symbols as Pink Floyd, worked them in their own way and released an original and quality product that at least has several characteristics of our beloved genre.
I don't see how Can and Neu! may not be considered Prog.
Don't know or care enough to research about Neurosis or Cult of Luna, so can't give my opinion
Swans is a Post Punk/No Wave band and I don't see why should they be added.
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Posted: March 27 2010 at 23:31 |
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There were a few threads a few weeks ago were Dream Theater Progressiveness was being questioned and debated. As well as Pink Floyd's.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: March 27 2010 at 10:59 |
Still not sure where you're coming from here DP. There seems to be litle in common between the bands you have chosen. Are you looking for separate debates about each of these bands?
You say that you are sure Can and Neu! are prog bands. Where have you seen it suggested they are not?
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Posted: March 27 2010 at 06:27 |
I write those bands just for example. I know the differences between them.
Can and Neu! example are given for general krautrock genre, it's definite that they are progressive bands in general at least for me but I just had the felt of giving them as examples.
The reason of this topic is to find about more problematic bands and listen the opinions about them.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: March 27 2010 at 06:15 |
Seems a strange list of bands you have there DP. Some are from the 70's, some are more recent, and at least one is not listed on this site as prog anyway. Why did you choose those particular bands for debate? Even musically, there seems little to connect them. What do you think is common to them?
I am not aware of questions being raised about Can or Neu! for example. Where have you come across their prog credentials being questioned?
What are your own views on their "Progression"?
Edited by Easy Livin - March 27 2010 at 10:55
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Posted: March 27 2010 at 06:14 |
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"Bands like these" is a little problematic, since there's a world of difference between, say, Muse and Neu.
If we limit our discussion to Krautrock bands, I certainly believe it was a wise decision to incorporate them in a website devoted to progressive rock. Can and Neu may have recorded albums which sound quite different from what their "symphonic" contemporaries were doing (e.g. Yes, Genesis, Jane, Novalis) but ALL these bands shared the same adventurous spirit and they all played "progressive" music as defined by this site.
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Posted: March 27 2010 at 05:25 |
Radiohead are definitely prog. Their attitude is maybe the proggiest of all bands of this millennium. We just have to admit that the prog of the 70's doesn't define the prog of today. Jonny Greenwood alone would take any band to the Olympus of prog. Muse do have some prog leanings, but have still some way to go. Of the others I have no opinion. |
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Posted: March 27 2010 at 03:21 |
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I wanted to create a topic to talk about the bands that often discussed about their progression such as Radiohead, Muse, Swans, Can, Neu!, Neurosis, Cult Of Luna etc. Is there any bands like these that their progression is questionable in some views?
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