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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2010 at 01:43
Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

My, my.  How quickly we jump onto the outliers and forget logic in the argument, offering instead rhetoric.  How easily we long-time posters dismiss a legitimate, passionated opinion and offer up a slice of unkindness and unshielded rejection..  Ever feel bad after doing that?
No. In fact, it's what I live for.
Quote He made the unfortunate mistake of judging RIO/Avant by the bands represented there the most.  Between AWK's uncannily dense and unusual harmonic structures more reminiscent of orchestra-for-rock-and-other-cool-stuff and incredibly tight melodic and textural chops.
 
It's nice that Harry has perfect pitch and can name chord progressions from other works. That's far more than I can do. But I also have listened to quite a bit of "unusual" music, and I cannot understand how one could come to the conclusion that there is anything about Brick Walls that is unusual or uncanny in any way. Besides a few Zappa-esque moments, I don't hear a single thing that sets it apart from the pop-rock I hear on the radio all day, other than that usually major artists don't choose such an obnoxious keyboard tone. Yeah, sometimes he has overdubbed multiple vocal harmonies for the choruses, which is something people do all the time.
Quote He writes, performs, and records every instrument on the majority of his discography with little exception
So does Paul McCartney.
Quote This sort of perfectionism and orchestration reminds one of the sort of work and eccentricity of Frank Zappa and The Residents, who are in Avant-Garde for some weird reason and represent a hell of a lot of the represented material in this genre.
I've already talked about Zappa, but if you can't hear the difference in avant-ness between The Residents and Andrew WK, I really don't know what to say.
Quote Until recently, I had taken a very long haitus from this forum because I could feel the 'old poster' thing kicking in and my attitude becoming quite harsh.  I came back because I believed that the times had changed and I could maintain a stiff upper lip, and I feel I've done my best to do so.  It's a shame that some of you cannot, and I regret the need to open my figurative mouth in such a manner now.
 
Oh come on, we just said no, and Walter made a joke because that's what he does. You don't need to act like we kicked Harry in the nuts and then pissed on him. But I forgive you for voicing your opinion on a forum anyway!
Quote I'm not certain what sort of "accusations" you folk may have about the new bwenner user.  I hope she doesn't mind me saying this, but she's a longtime friend of Rob's who saw the thread and wondered just what necessitated the overall tone of the posts directed at the OP.  Far from the Andrew WK fanclub, I doubt she'd listened to his works in any capacity until the same time as you guys did, from the link in the OP. Some of you are mods, I imagine you've checked IPs, so this talk about 'suspicions' is absolutely unwarranted and rather rude.
We're being rude? She called us communists (and not even the good Communists, German communists!) and posted a stupid image macro (that bypassed the profanity filter!). This is hardly a thoughtful reflection on the general tendency of the internet users to jump to conclusions. What would checking IPs accomplish? We're saying that she's trolling (because she is), not that it was Harry's alt. I'll admit that I was confused enough by its sudden appearance that I thought it for a second, but I knew that Harry wouldn't do such a ridiculous thing.
Quote Does making an honest mistake regarding the political system that is ProgArchives' genre system really demand such a reaction from some of you guys?
It's more like making an honest mistake about what constitutes ProgArchives' acceptance at all, and again, what exactly did we say to hurt your feelings so badly? I certainly don't see anything to warrant your condescending post (and after calling us condescending!), but maybe I'm biased by my non-love of Andrew WK.
Quote Thanks for keeping Prog Archives classy.
I'm the classiest motherf**ker around, no problem.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 23:14
I guess he could be suggested to Prog Related, I have no idea how what they'd think of him though; I'll step down from this discussion from here on in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 23:12
Is there a way this discussion could then, perhaps, be shifted towards discussing this band in another genre than another twenty posts of condescension?  I'm sorry you guys accept some extraordinary cult experimental pop groups and not others, but how can we shift this in a positive direction?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 23:08
I didn't mean any offense with my post, I gave a quick opinion and I didn't expect it to be received the way it was by bwenner. I stand by what I said though, which is that I don't think a million listens would've made me think of that album as Avant.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 22:59
*smh*

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 21:14
Three "No" votes, definitely rejected.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 15:01
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Certainly not even though you do have some similarities... both female for one thing.  ;)

Anyway, I guess anyone who like Frank Zappa and Tom Waits can't be all bad.


Oh, make no mistake, if someone decided to allow 'open season' here, I'd be more than glad to offer my very honest opinion on some peopleLOL... Perhaps without using too much profanity, but equally effectively!Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 14:57
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Certainly not even though you do have some similarities... both female for one thing.  ;)

Anyway, I guess anyone who like Frank Zappa and Tom Waits can't be all bad.


Oh, make no mistake, if someone decided to allow 'open season' here, I'd be more than glad to offer my very honest opinion on some peopleLOL... Perhaps without using too much profanity, but equally effectively!Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 14:53
Certainly not even though you do have some similarities... both female for one thing.  ;)

Anyway, I guess anyone who like Frank Zappa and Tom Waits can't be all bad.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 14:11
It's not me! I swearLOL!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 14:08
Yes, Raff, and I have certain suspicions, but I'm not as direct as some others.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 14:04
Greg, don't you recognize a troll when you see one? How do you call someone who registers on a site just in order to insult it and its membersDead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 14:00
Hmm, I had never heard of this dude before - but I can say this: The tracks I sampled from the recommended album reminded me more of good old Bonnie Tyler than Frank Zappa. There's something Steinman-ish about these tracks.

If Meat Loaf gets added to the archives somewhere sometime, it should be time to bring this dude back in contention.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 13:56
Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

Originally posted by bwenner bwenner wrote:

Sounds like a really thorough team of experts here. I liked the blatant failing to read the entirety of the OP's post, and the judging of the music based on preconception and first impression. Because, true value is based on what adjectives your brain comes back to you with after it quickly rifles through its junk heap of learned associations. I like your style, Prog Archives. It's very Berlin Wall.

It doesn't take more than one listen for me to tell you that what I listened to wasn't avant, which is the basis of this thread; not how many listens it takes to appreciate or truly judge music.


I don't claim to be an expert in anything, and did read the opening post (I'm not an avant team member, I'm just posting my impressions.  I appreciate it when people take the time to listen to my suggestions and comment even if I don't agree with their conclusions and try to engage them in debate about the merits.   That's usually part of the fun, and I like can of worms suggestions that makes one re-evaluate PA's parameters).  I have listened to the music at the homepage as well as myspace, and I just don't think it's right for PA.  I had no preconception.  With some I listen various times since I'm unsure, but this time my ears felt sure.

Incidentally, what brings you to PA and are you an appreciator of progressive rock generally?  What are you favourite bands/ artists in RIO/Avant?  Frankly, for a first post, I found it odd (hope you don't mind me excising the image from your post, but it was inappropriate).

Since it's been rejected for Avant, would you like to try to make a case for it another category?

Kudos to Harry on a very well-written suggestion post even though I don't think it fits based on my impressions of the music (different people haver different ideas of what is includable under the progressive rock umbrella, have different ideas of how categories should operate, different levels of inclusiveness, and different ideas on what direction they would like to see the site take).  I know that I've offered quite a number of left-of-field suggestions that didn't end up being accepted (and in various cases they weren't officially rejected or accepted).  And kudos on a suggestion that managed to reach multiple pages.  A great many receive hardly any replies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 12:33
Originally posted by Evolutionary_Sleeper Evolutionary_Sleeper wrote:

Just doesn't fit into avant-prog, sorry.
 
Sorry, but my vote is "No" as well.
I think it means that the band is rejected.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 05:19
Originally posted by bwenner bwenner wrote:

Sounds like a really thorough team of experts here. I liked the blatant failing to read the entirety of the OP's post, and the judging of the music based on preconception and first impression. Because, true value is based on what adjectives your brain comes back to you with after it quickly rifles through its junk heap of learned associations. I like your style, Prog Archives. It's very Berlin Wall.

It doesn't take more than one listen for me to tell you that what I listened to wasn't avant, which is the basis of this thread; not how many listens it takes to appreciate or truly judge music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 02:13
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Haha, I had actually forgotten most of the plebes had agreed with me, Logan. But from what I heard (around the way) the Eclectic people don't want to take him and Avant doesn't want to give him up, since his albums alone are like 20% of the subgenre...
Originally posted by bwenner bwenner wrote:

Sounds like a really thorough team of experts here. I liked the blatant failing to read the entirety of the OP's post, and the judging of the music based on preconception and first impression. Because, true value is based on what adjectives your brain comes back to you with after it quickly rifles through its junk heap of learned associations. I like your style, Prog Archives. It's very Berlin Wall.
Harry, you've lit the beacon and drawn the hordes of the Andrew WK fan club to the gates of Minas Tirith! BUT GUESS WHAT BALROG!

LOL
I agree with Henry.

And I think that first impressions are rather important in determining "progness". Usually I can see why an artist is/should be included here from the first few listens, it has nothing to do with me liking that artist, which has taken many months in some cases.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 01:46
Haha, I had actually forgotten most of the plebes had agreed with me, Logan. But from what I heard (around the way) the Eclectic people don't want to take him and Avant doesn't want to give him up, since his albums alone are like 20% of the subgenre...
Originally posted by bwenner bwenner wrote:

Sounds like a really thorough team of experts here. I liked the blatant failing to read the entirety of the OP's post, and the judging of the music based on preconception and first impression. Because, true value is based on what adjectives your brain comes back to you with after it quickly rifles through its junk heap of learned associations. I like your style, Prog Archives. It's very Berlin Wall.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 01:29
Sounds like a really thorough team of experts here. I liked the blatant failing to read the entirety of the OP's post, and the judging of the music based on preconception and first impression. Because, true value is based on what adjectives your brain comes back to you with after it quickly rifles through its junk heap of learned associations. I like your style, Prog Archives. It's very Berlin Wall.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 01:17
LOL Most agree, including myself (I had voted yes but had discussed it elsewhere before), that Frank Zappa would fit Eclectic Prog better.

Poll Question: Should Frank Zappa be in Eclectic?
Vote Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
< name="votice" value="69689" id="P69689" =""> 34 [57.63%]
< name="votice" value="69690" id="P69690" =""> 25 [42.37%]

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