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Raff 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
 Posted: February 19 2010 at 06:37 |
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Iain, do you want my very honest opinion? I believe that people who leave the site because of an addition they disagree with are immature, and good riddance to them anyway. I wish people could summon such energy when fighting for more relevant causes than the content of a progressive rock database. Though I have stepped away from the site on several occasions, it was NEVER because of a controversial addition, but for much more personal matters.
If people really want to help the site, they should be more active in the forums in a constructive way (i.e. not just bashing what they don't like), and post their own reviews of what they consider prog. There are lots of great PROG albums of the original era that have very few reviews, and/or are never discussed in the forum (I could mention one if you like: East of Eden's Mercator Projected). Why don't those people do something about that, instead of asking for ghettos to be created? |
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ExittheLemming
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Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
Posted: February 19 2010 at 06:28 |
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If we genuinely believe there is a problem with the integrity of PA being undermined by the amount of non prog artists currently included in the database, the solution is NOT to sweep what we find offensive 'under the carpet' by excluding such from the front page. I believe that Giles, Giles and Fripp (by way of example) are more important to the lineage of prog than say the 23rd review of an Iron Maiden or Sabbath album (but that's my prejudice cos I think the former suck irredeemably and are about as prog as my Aunt Sandra but love the latter as a non prog related metal pioneer)
Surely what has to be addressed is the admissions policy that allows artists that have proven to be so divisive within the community that their inclusion may have been erm....premature and might actually cause the brethren to exodus ? |
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theBox
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Joined: April 29 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 427 |
Posted: February 19 2010 at 06:22 |
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Hey Hey....calm down... that is just MY opinion, and to tell you the truth, I don't think it will ever happen.  |
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20380 |
Posted: February 19 2010 at 06:16 |
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That"s about the most obtuse post I've been given, to read in the six year's Ive frequented this forum...
 I'm not even going to fight your argument....
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Chris S
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 09 2004 Location: Front Range Status: Offline Points: 7028 |
Posted: February 19 2010 at 06:07 |
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 As they say if you don't like it to those then contribute.........P-R for me a vitally important ingredient to PA references.
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...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: February 19 2010 at 06:03 |
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^ here! here!
(to Raff's post, but also to Chris' too I guess  )Edited by Dean - February 19 2010 at 06:05 |
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What?
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Chris S
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Posted: February 19 2010 at 06:03 |
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^ ^yes and accordingly to those that are unhappy with the reviews, create their own new reviews also?
 Edited by Chris S - February 19 2010 at 06:04 |
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...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
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Raff
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Posted: February 19 2010 at 06:02 |
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If something like that should happen, I would immediately retire all my reviews or other contributions from the site. I am not the kind of person to resort to threats, but this would be taking things too far. I have reviewed a relatively large number of PR albums, because I believe they can be of interest to prog fans, as well as genuinely related to the genre, and I - like the others - have the right not to see them confined into a ghetto just because some people are offended by seeing those reviews on the front page. All the prog sites currently active, as well as the magazines, nowadays feature a variety of bands and artists that are not conventionally prog - the site I review for, ProgressoR, has been in existence twice as long as PA (started in 1998), and we get some stuff to review that has really very little to do with prog. I have an album at home that sounds like the soundtrack for a soft-porn movie  ! On the latest issue of Progression Magazine there was a review of a techno album, and on Sea of Tranquility they have recently added a review of The Clash's London Calling - not to mention the variety of non-prog reviews featured on ProgressiveEars. And those sites continue to have a healthy flow of visitors, in spite of what some of you might believe. I am sorry if this post offends someone (it is not my intention), but I really don't get why people cannot enjoy the site for what it offers (which is a lot), and ignore what they don't like, without trying to impose their ideas on others. |
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: February 19 2010 at 05:59 |
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Front page reviews come in waves - more often it is because the band has recently been added, or becuase they have a new release which prompts not only reviews of that album, but of "better" or "worse" albums in their discography, also when someone reads a review they are stired into a response and will add their review of that album/band to the list.
You could argue just as reasonably that the 503rd review of SEbtP doesn't need to be on the Front Page.
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Bonnek
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 01 2009 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 4521 |
Posted: February 19 2010 at 05:53 |
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By the way, did anyone care to look at All Music. Check the Experimental
Rock section
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=77:4437 |
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Bonnek
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 01 2009 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 4521 |
Posted: February 19 2010 at 05:53 |
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That proposal is exactly what I proposed. The only difference being that I would open up that sub for a lot more bands. Excluding more then Prog-Related is a bit of a stretch. I guess the acceptance of the bands in the other subs are a given fact now. Edited by Bonnek - February 19 2010 at 05:56 |
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theBox
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Joined: April 29 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 427 |
Posted: February 19 2010 at 05:50 |
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Well, does deleting Prog Related, X-treme and Post Rock/Metal altogether, count as a concrete proposal? No? Yeah, I wouldn't think it did... Joke aside, I think that Prog Related (AT THE VERY LEAST) reviews, should not be shown in the site's main page, and that is my recomendation. |
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Bonnek
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 01 2009 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 4521 |
Posted: February 19 2010 at 05:39 |
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It's in regression because I didn't post anything yet
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theBox
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Posted: February 19 2010 at 05:37 |
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Actually, we are not. It just happens that today the phenomenon is in regression. Some other days, I just scroll and scroll down, wishing that Iron Maiden had a less expansive discography.  |
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Camel666
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Joined: December 25 2009 Status: Offline Points: 133 |
Posted: February 19 2010 at 05:19 |
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I used to like grind metal when it came out (Napalm Death, Terrorizer and so on...) and, according to a certain school of thought, I might make a case for those bands being progressive. After all, they created a new genre, they progressed, in some cases they even were good musicians (Carcass for example). Surely there must be a place for them, in a sub-genre of tech/extreme prog. Now that I think of it, it's tech/extreme prog that is a subgenre of grind-prog! Seriously, I am a newcomer on the forum but have been visiting the site for a long time and I must say I was shocked to find certain bands here on a site called progarchives. We all know the names. I am in no way narrow-minded, I love different kinds of music, from 80's pop to NY punk, from death metal to fusion. What I don't feel is the need to give dignity to what I listen to by defining it "progressive". I also have a moderate dislike for wild labelling, but that's me. I dig the wide approach, let's include those bands that are not progressive but in some sort of way helped define the genre or widen it or whatever. There is already a category for that and it's "prog-related". RELATED. What's the sense of defining "progressive" bands that don't even consider themselves to be progressive? It's not elitarism, it's logic. Progarchives = about prog. Post-punk? No offense, but you've GOT to be kidding me.
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Bonnek
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Posted: February 19 2010 at 05:16 |
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Aren't we exaggerating now? If I look at the last 50 reviews at this moment, there's one MDB review, one Metallica and one what you would call generic Post-band (Isis). That's 3 out of 50. The rest pretty much looks like regular prog to me. Edited by Bonnek - February 19 2010 at 05:16 |
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: February 19 2010 at 03:42 |
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I agree with and sympathize with what yer saying but do you have any concrete proposals that would improve the situation ? (BTW I don't have anything substantive to offer in this regard but would hope that some of the more senior site members may have some ideas) |
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Bonnek
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 01 2009 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 4521 |
Posted: February 19 2010 at 02:56 |
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theBox
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Joined: April 29 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 427 |
Posted: February 19 2010 at 01:18 |
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I post again, firstly to show my support to JLocke, Ivan and all the others who see that the all-inclusive site policy is getting a little (to put it mildly) out of hand.
Secondly, I would like to point out (although it may seem naive to some), that I am VERY frustrated to visit the site (which I do very often) in hopes of reading a review of some gem that somehow went off my radar up until now, only to find out that the main page (the one with the new reviews) is LITTERED (yes LITTERED!!!!) reviews of IRON MAIDEN, METALLICA, My Dying Bride (WTF???), DAVID BOWIE, Black Sabbath, X generic post rock band etc etc... |
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 23:36 |
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Prog and Porn certainly have one thing in common: No-one can define either but everyone says they know it when they hear/see it.
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