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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 09:25
maybe it'll give Rush a new lease of life

crafting a concept album *usually* produces one or two filler pieces which advance a theme but would be dropped or torn apart for its ideas if the goal were to make the individual songs as good as they could be
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 08:58
Originally posted by Kashmir75 Kashmir75 wrote:

I am horrified at the concept of the 'album' dying. The death of physical media is the death of prog. 


Then we disagree. I believe the true spirit of prog is much deeper then a physical disc you can hold in your hand...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2010 at 19:24
Well, at least this guy ^ knows how I feel!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2010 at 18:43
Prog is an album-oriented genre. It is the antithesis of the 'pop single'. In the 70s, Floyd and Zeppelin's attitude was 'if you wanna hear the single, buy the album'.

I'm an 'album' listener. I don't do singles. Even when I'm listening to a rip of one of my CDs on my Ipod, I will often listen to a whole album. 

I am horrified at the concept of the 'album' dying. The death of physical media is the death of prog. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2010 at 18:13
Well, I totally support artists exploring new ways to put out their music.  Format isn't particularly relevant.  If an artist wants to put out a concept set they still can regardless of format.  Totally surprised to see the 33-1/3 make a comeback.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2010 at 14:42
Originally posted by Eapo_q42 Eapo_q42 wrote:

Well, naturally there are exceptions to every rule, and no simile is perfect!

For what it's worth, though, I was referring to narrative driven films. I think they make a fair enough comparison to, say, a concept album. Each one relates a story, with the intention of affecting emotions in some way. It takes you on a journey, and if the artist is good enough at his craft, each piece of the story is carefully placed and achieves an optimal effect on your emotional response. 

Seeing Citizen Kane presented as a series of scenes, out of order, and released sporadically....well, it wouldn't half the same effect, would it? 

Obviously, this isn't true of EVERY movie or EVERY album, that's a given. But i'm just trying to illustrate a point, that's all.


Very true, but you do obviously realize that concept albums are actually quite rare? I'd say almost every album known to man is a collection of unconnected songs, similar to the way Coffee & Cigarettes is structured. I perfectly understand releasing an album instead of an individual song if that's what the music requires, but nearly every time this is not the case!

What I don't understand is the argument, that releasing files should be strictly prohibited because there's currently about 10 active bands that actually release concept albums...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2010 at 06:24
Well, naturally there are exceptions to every rule, and no simile is perfect!

For what it's worth, though, I was referring to narrative driven films. I think they make a fair enough comparison to, say, a concept album. Each one relates a story, with the intention of affecting emotions in some way. It takes you on a journey, and if the artist is good enough at his craft, each piece of the story is carefully placed and achieves an optimal effect on your emotional response. 

Seeing Citizen Kane presented as a series of scenes, out of order, and released sporadically....well, it wouldn't half the same effect, would it? 

Obviously, this isn't true of EVERY movie or EVERY album, that's a given. But i'm just trying to illustrate a point, that's all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2010 at 06:03
Originally posted by Eapo_q42 Eapo_q42 wrote:

It's not that I don't accept the artist's new vision. 

For a lot of people, a single song is just the larger part of a bigger picture. *Especially* in prog. 

What if directors started releasing their movies scene by scene? That would suck! I see it as a similar situation.


Hmm... I don't think Jim Jarmusch's Coffee & Cigarettes sucked at all! Even if he released three scenes before the full movie...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2010 at 00:33
It's not that I don't accept the artist's new vision. 

For a lot of people, a single song is just the larger part of a bigger picture. *Especially* in prog. 

What if directors started releasing their movies scene by scene? That would suck! I see it as a similar situation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2010 at 23:35
The point would be listening to Echoes by itself, not making it part of DSOTM.
 
You all are silly. The reason you listen to a full album at once is to absorb the full vision of the artist, but if their vision is a single song you won't go for it?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2010 at 20:26
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

O.K. folks , here's what you're missing - an album consists of one of more songs released as a collection. A song, or songs can be released on its' own without precluding the eventual collecting of a certain number of songs into an album.

Sooooo ... Rush , and any other group that follows this approach , can & will likely still put out albums. They just won't wait until they have a "full" album's worth of music to put out a song or more. Just as they probably won't stop writing, recording, and releasing albums if & when the motivation or inspiration hits.

After all, why force things just to fit into some pre-conceived commercial requirement.
Again, ask Beethoven & the other dead white guys how they got away with putting out stuff other than full blown symphonies ...




Wow...its *really* not as simple as that! The very best albums aren't just an arbitrary collection of songs, far from it. It's a collection of songs, chosen to be presented together because they complement and enhance one another. That's why Dancing with the Moonlit knight wouldn't be the same buried somewhere in the tracklist of Foxtrot or Wind and Wuthering. It works as well as it does because it was chosen to be the first piece of a very particular set of songs. The same can be said of any number of great albums. You can't just take Shine On You Crazy Diamond and stick on the Wall. It doesn't work!

And that is why the album format is so important. Yes, we'll still hear lots of great songs. But the album is its own art form.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2010 at 17:38
Yes I agree.....in 10-15 yrs preferred method will be some kind of download/stream to your device of choice. From there how you keep it is up to you, burn to CD, on your HD.......
 
What I missed mentioning is that I do hope the artwork of vinyl is never lost. Maybe that too is downloaded and used as you see fit. Liner notes are still awesome..........
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2010 at 17:28
i wouldn't bet on either format LP or CD. The predicted "next" step is streaming music to whatever device you care to listen to it on.
Imagine crystal clear FM signal ! With time, any & all music should find its way onto services like Spotify and those that will succeed it.
The CD ? Just check Walmart. Then have a look in 6 months. The floor space keeps being cut down.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2010 at 16:39
I agree..Back in the 70's we ALL were salavating at the thought of digital media. We all wanted better sounding music PERIOD! And now that we have it in the form of digital mp3 files and lossless WMA...we are complaining?? Lets not be two faced.......I can remember buying my first DDD CD format and thinking "man I am never going back to low end vinyl..."
Vinyl will always be around and the CD is here to stay forever, so the album format is not in jeopardy. I am just glad I can play any format I want. Vinyl has gotten much better due to digital recording technology, pressing improvements.....yada, yada.
We live in a portable society, so it only makes sense for artists to embrace the technology and get the music out.
 
And yes its great news that Rush is back at it...........AGAIN....what is this close to 35yrs now?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2010 at 16:39
Originally posted by Pekka Pekka wrote:

Hopefully they won't do that, album is a format that needs to be preserved.
 


I'm hoping someone puts something out on 8 Track again. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2010 at 10:39
^ I agree with this point. I think it could be liberating for rock artists to just write music when they feel inspired.
This seems preferable over having to put a full album together with filler material.

Actually I hope this will bring the 40 minute 'album' back and release us from those indigestible 70+ minute CDs.

Where it concerns the carrier I want perfect quality. At this point this is still the CD by a long stretch!
Much preferable over any file format that is processed through the sound card of a PC, or oh dear, an ipod.

Oh, I almost forgot. Great news that Rush is so far into writing songs already!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2010 at 10:30
O.K. folks , here's what you're missing - an album consists of one of more songs released as a collection. A song, or songs can be released on its' own without precluding the eventual collecting of a certain number of songs into an album.

Sooooo ... Rush , and any other group that follows this approach , can & will likely still put out albums. They just won't wait until they have a "full" album's worth of music to put out a song or more. Just as they probably won't stop writing, recording, and releasing albums if & when the motivation or inspiration hits.

After all, why force things just to fit into some pre-conceived commercial requirement.
Again, ask Beethoven & the other dead white guys how they got away with putting out stuff other than full blown symphonies ...




Edited by debrewguy - January 16 2010 at 10:34
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2010 at 05:59
Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

I refuse to spend my hard earned money in a file
 
Me too! I want something solid for my money. If they do go down the download route I'm sure it will surface on an album sooner or later, as soon as they realise sales are way down.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2010 at 08:37
Don't worry guys, the album format in music is not going to change very soon, just like the novel format in prose hasn't changed in more than two centuries now. Releasing songs is just the prose writer publishing short stories in magazines in between publishing novels.

EDIT: please make the difference between the format and the support, people Geek


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2010 at 08:36
Originally posted by SgtPepper67 SgtPepper67 wrote:


I really don't get much satisfaction by listening to an individual songs in general.


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