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Posted: April 11 2010 at 16:14
AbrahamSapien wrote:
And one more question: I have noticed, that some of the new gramophones have the speed 78rpm, while all of the old ones, that I can find, only have the regular two speeds (33 and 45rp).
Actually, until very recently, it was rare to have the option of 78rpm - my turntable only allows that if you buy and additional pulley and belt system, and an additional stylus.
If you go back further still, much older gramophones have the 78 option, and even older ones may have a 16 rpm option too. This was mainly used for spoken word, but some artists released albums on this format - which could hold about an hour per side. Check out some Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass:
78 is a useful speed to have if you like music from before the 1950/60s, when the 45 took over - but shellac is far more susceptible to suface noise than vinyl. This is sometimes seen as an "authentic enhancement", and the quality is possibly better in many ways, because of the faster playback speed.
You can easily make mp3 from vinyl providing your turntable has an audio out.
If it's phono, then this will have to go through a phono stage to get any kind of recordable signal, but if it's line out or USB, it can go straight into your PC and you can use a free program like Wavepad to record it.
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Posted: March 31 2010 at 11:29
And one more question: I have noticed, that some of the new gramophones have the speed 78rpm, while all of the old ones, that I can find, only have the regular two speeds (33 and 45rp).
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Posted: March 29 2010 at 13:36
Well, I did a little reasearch and as I am a total newbie in turntables stuff, I'd like to get some suggestions about buying a gramophone. A quite interesting one, I've noticed, is this: http://www.crosleyradio.com/Turntables.aspx It's quite useful to get 3 things in one, I guess. Well, but I have noticed, that I can't order most of there sweet looking, woooden, multi-functional turntables from here, Slovenia (I did find one, but I could het 2 gramophones of those for the price of the shipping). Here's the situation, I'm 14 and I want a gramophone in my room (the computer and the radio are in the living room, I don't like headphones, iPod only if neccessary). What I can buy in Slovenia is mostly like this: http://www.bobencek.com/trg/detajl.php?ime=OMNITRONIC%20DD-4750%20USB%20GRAMOFON&id=808&hid=17 But I think, that for using this I need a mix table and all of that stuff And I DON'T WANT TO COMPLICATE. And I'm not a fan of loud music. But I have the option of buying some used turntables. Do you have any suggestions? P.S.:I'm quite interested in making mp3s from vinyls. Can i do it with old turntables (I've read something about that, but as I said, I'm a complete newbie)?
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Posted: March 25 2010 at 13:36
elder08 wrote:
JLocke wrote:
elder08 wrote:
I'm only fourteen and enjoy vinyl more than cd's and the only way i can distinguish the vinyl sounding better is while listening to cd's you can here a slight digital sound that does not appear on vinyl
You've got to be kidding me.
What? i dont get it
I guess he's wondering what that "digital sound" sounds like.
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Posted: March 25 2010 at 12:56
JLocke wrote:
elder08 wrote:
I'm only fourteen and enjoy vinyl more than cd's and the only way i can distinguish the vinyl sounding better is while listening to cd's you can here a slight digital sound that does not appear on vinyl
You've got to be kidding me.
What? i dont get it
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Posted: March 25 2010 at 11:47
Because turntables have limitations - e.g. they're not so good in the car, or while jogging, or perhaps in an aeroplane...
By sending them to mp3, at least YOU know that the source hasn't been remastered by some cloth-eared dolt and compressed to death to compete in the "loudness wars".
...and you get that realistic crackle, even while jogging...
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Posted: March 25 2010 at 03:18
AbrahamSapien wrote:
One question. I'm buying a gramophone, because there's a lot of good prog in my country, that is not available on CDs. What do you suggest? Is iw worth buying very expensive stuff (compared to used ones) or gramophones with the option of turning vinyl into mp3? Is it possible to turn audio tapes into mp3?
Depends on your budget really;
You can pick up some really good gear second hand - some of the 1970s amps have a really warm sound compared to modern amps which are designed to reproduce digital sources, and almost all have phono inputs, unlike modern amps.
You have to be a bit careful with 2nd hand record players though - worn or stretched belts can be tricky to replace, and aging motors can burn out quickly. Balancing tone arms is not too tricky - but if they've been abused, you may be looking at a replacement (if at all possible!) - then there's the cost of styli to be considered.
Not trying to put you off - this can be a very rewarding experience, and you certainly get to learn a lot about turntables in the process!
I like the Project USB deck, as I can use it through my Hi-Fi via phono cables (but NOT using the phono input on the amp) and plug it into my PC and mp3 the sounds as I listen.
There are solutions that allow the same for tape - although you can get passable mp3's simply by connecting the line out on the tape deck into the PC. I send mine via the record loop on my amp - adds an extra stage to the process, but doesn't seem to affect the sound too badly (given that most of my tapes were recorded using the Dolby noise reduction system).
The key is, decide your budget, get some ideas of what you're looking for and what you want from it, and have fun. It can become an expensive hobby if you let it... but it always results in listening to loads of great music the way it was supposed to be heard.
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Posted: March 24 2010 at 14:02
One question. I'm buying a gramophone, because there's a lot of good prog in my country, that is not available on CDs. What do you suggest? Is iw worth buying very expensive stuff (compared to used ones) or gramophones with the option of turning vinyl into mp3? Is it possible to turn audio tapes into mp3?
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Posted: March 24 2010 at 11:55
elder08 wrote:
I'm only fourteen and enjoy vinyl more than cd's and the only way i can distinguish the vinyl sounding better is while listening to cd's you can here a slight digital sound that does not appear on vinyl
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Posted: March 24 2010 at 11:50
I'm only fourteen and enjoy vinyl more than cd's and the only way i can distinguish the vinyl sounding better is while listening to cd's you can here a slight digital sound that does not appear on vinyl
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Posted: March 23 2010 at 19:36
Certif1ed wrote:
himtroy wrote:
Wow, people keep bringing up the range of the format. I know that CD's are superior to Vinyl in every way technically. The mixes that make it onto those CDs however, aren't. Compression and modern recording crushes the fullness of the low range and the dynamics.
I hate to be the one that's defending digital, I really do - but those mixes are the same ones that go onto modern vinyl (which, it has to be said, despite the "180g" and "half speed mastering" claims do tend to sound horrible compared to their 1960s-70s counterparts. One of the few exceptions was the excellent Akarma range of re-issues, which seem to have caught on and spiralled in value recently, more's the pity).
Metallica's "Death Magnetic" is the saddest story of anything ever committed to this noble media.
The vinyl version is WORSE than the CD.
I'm guessing that this is because the same mix was used, but the engineers then compressed the last remaining gasps of life out of it at the cutting lathe.
The BEST version of Death Magnetic is the one used in the Guitar Hero computer game - compared to the CD, it truly kicks the proverbial anatomical area.
If you like that sort of thing, of course...
Yes they are the same ones that get put on modern vinyl, but what I'm speaking of is when our older albums get wrecked with compression when remastered. I understand that they cut the frequency to eliminate some of the hiss and make it cleaner, but I'd rather hear the high end hiss than have the high frequencies cut out.
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Posted: March 11 2010 at 11:35
himtroy wrote:
Wow, people keep bringing up the range of the format. I know that CD's are superior to Vinyl in every way technically. The mixes that make it onto those CDs however, aren't. Compression and modern recording crushes the fullness of the low range and the dynamics.
I hate to be the one that's defending digital, I really do - but those mixes are the same ones that go onto modern vinyl (which, it has to be said, despite the "180g" and "half speed mastering" claims do tend to sound horrible compared to their 1960s-70s counterparts. One of the few exceptions was the excellent Akarma range of re-issues, which seem to have caught on and spiralled in value recently, more's the pity).
Metallica's "Death Magnetic" is the saddest story of anything ever committed to this noble media.
The vinyl version is WORSE than the CD.
I'm guessing that this is because the same mix was used, but the engineers then compressed the last remaining gasps of life out of it at the cutting lathe.
The BEST version of Death Magnetic is the one used in the Guitar Hero computer game - compared to the CD, it truly kicks the proverbial anatomical area.
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Posted: March 11 2010 at 11:07
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
himtroy wrote:
Yeah and we get to hear dynamics and a fuller low end too. I think you're speaking of people listening to vinyl which is in bad shape.
When you get down to technical specifications you'll see that vinyl has a much lower dynamic range than CD ... this was one of the reasons why CDs were introduced. And a "fuller low end" ... actually vinyl is very poor at recording loud low frequencies, which is why these are artificially reduced for the pressing and then put back in (boosted) during playback.
And no, even a pristine vinyl disc will suffer from the problems that I described. Maybe less pops and crackles than a worn disc, but they're there ... and the background noise and distortions are simply part of the design. The background noise is due to the poor dynamic range (turn up the volume on your favorite disc and tell me you don't hear it), the distortions are due to the fact that you're listening to sound printed on a plastic disc circling at comparatively low speed and with poor precision. Good record players can improve on these problems, but they can never completely remove them.
And guess what: None of that is ever a problem with digital recordings.
Wow, people keep bringing up the range of the format. I know that CD's are superior to Vinyl in every way technically. The mixes that make it onto those CDs however, aren't. Compression and modern recording crushes the fullness of the low range and the dynamics.
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