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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2009 at 06:20
Originally posted by BaronVonCruzer BaronVonCruzer wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

"Who influenced Yes?" .... Ermm no they didn't.


You would be incorrect, It's well known that the Who is Jon's favorite band. The influences mentioned so far for Jon and Chris like Simon and Garfunkel, only address the vocal influences. Remember, we're talking about an actual band that plays instruments.
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But since you brought it up - no... being a fan does not necessarily imply influence, and influence would manifest itself in the recorded works. Listening to the first two Yes albums many of the "influences" meantioned so far are pretty self-evident (and I don't just mean in the choice of 4 cover songs) - those albums show a band finding their way, pooling their individual influences but not quite gelling them into a collective whole. Also S&G where not an a cappella band Wink  Paul Simon's gift for melody, without which all their vocal harmonies would fall flat, is something that certainly "inspired" Yes to go off on a 10 minute musical excursion during their cover of America.
 
 
Anyway, Who picks up the ball and throws it to What. What throws it to I Don't Know. I Don't Know throws it back to Tomorrow. And as every Yes fan knows, Steve Howe was in Tomorrow but before that he was in with The In Crowd. Geek
 
 
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

"Who influenced Yes?" .... Ermm no they didn't.


You would be incorrect, It's well known that the Who is Jon's favorite band. The influences mentioned so far for Jon and Chris like Simon and Garfunkel, only address the vocal influences. Remember, we're talking about an actual band that plays instruments.
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The Beatles, Beach Boys and Small Faces.


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I have a hunch that Howe had very disparate influences. Some of his phrasing is straight out of the Hendrix playbook but then on certain early songs you get a bit of a Les Paul and Chet Atkins kind of vibe coming through. He was always a fast and remarkably "clean" player - but towards the late seventies with Drama - it's pretty clear he was drawing upon some inspiration from others coming on the scene in that time period - while the rhythms, speed, and direction of the notes were all Howe, he was getting a more Van Halen-esque tone from the instrument - something that became very evident a couple years later with his stint in Asia.

With Squire, jeez - how can you nail something like that down. The guy is and always was a tremendous innovator. Squire's harmonics experimentations may very well have influenced the great Jaco Pastorius who hit the scene a few years later with Weather Report. What can you say about a guy like that? Is there anybody that made bass sounds like Squire before there was Squire? - I'm not aware of anyone.....

Bruford was another trendsetter. I can't think of anyone else before him that combined his intellect and disciplined approach to rock drumming. Yeah there were freaks of nature like Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa - but these guys weren't  rhythm/blues/rock based artists - they were big band over achievers. The playing and interviews that Bruford did with King Crimson show a keen understanding of percussion that is more akin to a classically trained percussionist than a rock and roll drummer. Again, how do you spot the influences on an innovating genius - no easy task!
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Points: 12816 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2009 at 21:33
I guess Steve Howe must have been influenced by Bob Dylan (or at least he liked him a LOT). He even named his son Dylan Howe, and made a tribute album of Bob Dylan.
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Isn't it amazing the lenght that bands like Yes went from their influences, while new bands nowadays arent' really much more than being good copies of these original prog bands, generally speaking. 
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Their best stuff was traveling through uncharted territory, moving away from their influences.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

"Who influenced Yes?" .... Ermm no they didn't.



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"Who influenced Yes?" .... Ermm no they didn't.
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Interesting, looks like I shoulda googled just a bit more Embarrassed

Its interesting that so many "new" prog bands almost shamelessly copy some of the more traditional prog bands and at the same time these more traditional bands needed to grow from somewhere. Traditional isn't really the right word, but it is too early to think yet!

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As said before Simon and Garfunkel were quite an influence. I believe just in the early days they were. The debut album and Time and a Word. No! wait, I've Seen all good People is a little on the Paul Simon side. Steve Howe was really into a Jim Hall sound especially on the Yes Album. If you listen to The Planets by Holst everyday for about a week, you will also hear direct notation used in Yes songs. But as I said give yourself time to absorb The Planets. Many little ditties by Yes are influenced by various classical composers and not always artists of their genre. The Clap is obviously a ragtime piece. There may be a ragtime guitarist that Howe listened to. Who knows? Or maybe he just listened to a lot of Scott Joplin?

 
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Points: 22989 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2009 at 05:20
This is from Bill's blog:

Quick answers for james hyden - 16/09/2009 23:04:09 . who wants to know 1)  “what kind of music were you guys (by 'you guys' i mean, 'yes men' during the yes years (of 1968-1973) listening to?”  I played Chris Squire Art Blakey and Coltrane, Squire played Anderson the Vanilla Fudge and Syn, Anderson played Kaye Sibelius and Mahler, and Peter Banks played me Wes Montgomery and Pete Townsend.
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Points: 10616 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2009 at 04:57
They say also: Vanilla Fudge.

Oh, and don't forget Buffalo Springfield. And have Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young not influenced Yes? If you listen to "Carry On" on Deja Vu: some parts of Yes' "Yours Is No Disgrace" remind me of that song.


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The Beatles, Pink Floyd, probably The Doors, King Crimson...
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Perhaps LSD was amongst them...
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Points: 206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2009 at 01:14
I would say that definetly the beatles, they were an influence on so many early prog bands
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From Wikipedia's article on Chris Squire:
Quote When Squire was about sixteen, The Beatles and Paul McCartney were the catalyst that prompted him to consider a career in music and to take up the bass guitar.

His early influences were diverse, ranging from church and choral music to the Merseybeat sounds of the early 1960s and he studied the bass styles of John Entwistle, Jack Bruce, and Larry Graham.

During his first conversation with Anderson, the pair broke the ice by discussing one of their favourite groups, Simon & Garfunkel (Yes later covered the duo's "America") and Squire discovered that he and Anderson were both into vocal groups.
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As one band, I have understood The Byrds were among them ("I See You" is in their 1st album, and they are also strong with multivocal harmonies in their 1st album).
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