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Poll Question: My wife and I got one yesterday, we're still sore.
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When you look at the amount of suffering childhood vaccines have prevented over the decades, compared to the relatively small number of extreme side effects, it is staggering that there is any debate about this.  
Equally staggering that a generation of young parents have absorbed this nonsense and are acting on it. 
 
Thankfully this flu has a very low kill rate.  The real danger is this pervasive ignorance occuring once we run into a bug with a 20% kill rate.  Then you are going to see preventable suffering on a mass scale.
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Oh, I think someone's just afraid of needles. TongueLOL

I don't believe in making the shots mandatory, just be sure and wash you hands like you have OCD.


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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

The flu shots you were getting in those years would do nothing to and are not related to the 2009 H1N1 virus. 

I'm not telling people not to get a flu shot. No reason to get upset.

I'm not getting upset or anything, but your argument for not getting a vaccination is based on a mishap that happened one year.


Nothing you can say will convince him. Just like nothing you can say will sway a conspiracy theorist from believing we never went to the moon.

Personally, I think the answer is simple; if somebody holds a philosophy that makes them feel above everybody else, they'll defend it to the death. So these folks can feel superior all the want for not getting those dreaded vaccines, while the rest of us 'fools' can rest easy knowing we're actually protected. Wink
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Originally posted by KoS KoS wrote:

I lost respect for Billy Corgan long ago, but this just seals the deal:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/11/another_celebrity_anti-vaccine_moron_bil.php#c2058814

also
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/11/the_anti-vaccine_movement_cranks.php

And my respect for Warren Ellis has grown.
http://www.freakangels.com/?p=203&page=3
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Agreed Kos, it's a shame.  My SO is in public health, and can't believe the effect these people are having on otherwise rational people.
(And frankly, I think Corgan sucks without James and Darcy.)Wink


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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

The flu shots you were getting in those years would do nothing to and are not related to the 2009 H1N1 virus. 

I'm not telling people not to get a flu shot. No reason to get upset.

I'm not getting upset or anything, but your argument for not getting a vaccination is based on a mishap that happened one year.


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My arm felt a little stiff afterwards, but it's nothing bad at all.

Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime
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I didn't get one, and I ended up getting the flu anyway. Dead


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The flu shots you were getting in those years would do nothing to and are not related to the 2009 H1N1 virus. 

I'm not telling people not to get a flu shot. No reason to get upset.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


It's not unfounded. When flu vaccines were rushed into production to treat the 1976 epidemic of swine flu there were untested. Turns out there seemed to be a nontrivial correlation with Guillain-Barre syndrome unexplainable by simple random distribution.

The chance may be remote, but the remote chance  at a lethal nerve disease may be more concerning that the chance of bed rest and fluids.

Yet it apparently worked in 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1980., 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008.  OK I did get type 2 in one of those years despite being vaccinated for type 1.  So I'm not going to slam you for not choosing to get one, but come on.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

I don't understand the logic behind not getting a shot. Care to explain to me why so many of you fellas believe you're much luckier than the rest of us poor saps? Confused

 
drink some juice and get some bed rest, you'll be fine you big baby


Haha! Big Baby! Thats funny
But seriously, he asked a question, no need to be a smartass.

I've forgone them most of the time, because swine flu isn't very big anymore in Australia, and only was for a month. And there was only a couple of cases reported in my state anyway.

However, if I lived in the US, I wouldn't consider not getting the vaccine. I'd probably say other people have avoided getting the shot due to lack of belief in medicine. I.E, they've heard you can get sick from injections, or for some unexplainable reason, they don't think they're at any real risk of contracting the illness, so they forgo the proper prevention.

Just a guess though

It's not unfounded. When flu vaccines were rushed into production to treat the 1976 epidemic of swine flu there were untested. Turns out there seemed to be a nontrivial correlation with Guillain-Barre syndrome unexplainable by simple random distribution.

The chance may be remote, but the remote chance  at a lethal nerve disease may be more concerning that the chance of bed rest and fluids.
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2009 at 07:03
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

I think I never had the flu ... usually I catch a bad cold once or twice a year, but that's all.

Achoo to you. LOL


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I think I never had the flu ... usually I catch a bad cold once or twice a year, but that's all.
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Didn't know I'd spark this kind of controversy.  By the way, my arm still hurts. LOL

After having the flu severely kick my ass for a few years in a row, I usually get one at the first opportunity.






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Originally posted by KoS KoS wrote:

I lost respect for Billy Corgan long ago, but this just seals the deal:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/11/another_celebrity_anti-vaccine_moron_bil.php#c2058814


It actually makes a lot of sense, considering that so far the lethality of this new strain of flu is not much higher than that of ordinary flu. Undoubtedly it's a tragedy for those who get really sick or really die from it, but last year many people died from ordinary flu without that much attention from the media.
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No flu shot for me ... I'll take my chances.LOL
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I lost respect for Billy Corgan long ago, but this just seals the deal:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/11/another_celebrity_anti-vaccine_moron_bil.php#c2058814

also
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/11/the_anti-vaccine_movement_cranks.php

And my respect for Warren Ellis has grown.
http://www.freakangels.com/?p=203&page=3
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Edited by KoS - November 09 2009 at 01:50
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Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

I don't understand the logic behind not getting a shot. Care to explain to me why so many of you fellas believe you're much luckier than the rest of us poor saps? Confused

 
drink some juice and get some bed rest, you'll be fine you big baby


Haha! Big Baby! Thats funny
But seriously, he asked a question, no need to be a smartass.

I've forgone them most of the time, because swine flu isn't very big anymore in Australia, and only was for a month. And there was only a couple of cases reported in my state anyway.

However, if I lived in the US, I wouldn't consider not getting the vaccine. I'd probably say other people have avoided getting the shot due to lack of belief in medicine. I.E, they've heard you can get sick from injections, or for some unexplainable reason, they don't think they're at any real risk of contracting the illness, so they forgo the proper prevention.

Just a guess though

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I'm doing it every autumn, but I skipped it this year for some reason. My mother is working in a clinic, so injection shots are commonplace in our houseEmoticons.

And we are not overdoing it - perhaps once or twice a year. But I guess it's a bit unusual: other people usually swallow a pill if they're sick: we get a shot in the arm at home. But I have to admit I'm avoiding medicals altogether most of the time, especially painkillers.
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Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

I don't understand the logic behind not getting a shot. Care to explain to me why so many of you fellas believe you're much luckier than the rest of us poor saps? Confused
 
drink some juice and get some bed rest, you'll be fine you big baby


Wow. That was such a well-articulated argument, and so relevant to my question, too! My whole outlook on this issue has now changed! really!

If you can't defend your position with actual debate, being an a****le and resorting to name-calling is the second-best thing, I suppose.
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Well I guess now we have to just sit patiently and wait for Slarti to let us know which one it was. Fortunately, I didn't have anything else planned for the rest of the day.
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