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camilleanne
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Posted: October 10 2009 at 09:38 |
No God no Ghost....
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The planet is fine the people are f**ked.
-George Carlin-
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Silverbeard McStarr
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Posted: October 09 2009 at 16:27 |
I'm an atheist and a sceptic so no.
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jampa17
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Posted: October 09 2009 at 13:00 |
By the way... I feel there's no room on this poll... cause you believe or not... and I feel must of us have an idea... or an exponation... so there must be a third option, you know... like a paralel exponation or something like that...
I'm totally Christian Catholic and believes the tradition have a lot of reasons about many things... and Do not believes in ghosts, but there's not deny about some rare fenomena that is not explain yet... I go for the brain potential energy that we still don't understand...
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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jampa17
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Posted: October 09 2009 at 12:54 |
Maybe I can help... in the Christian believes, The Old Testament proclaim about the physical resurrection and the preservation of the physical bodies in the judgement day... the conservation of the body is really clear on that believe... then... in the New Testament Jesus speaks very graphical that no dead man is aloud to leave heaven or hell to come to the "real world" so, if you're christian, you don't have to believe in ghost as a soul of death people...
In the other hand, if you're not Christian, you can say that those entities that can been seing or feel are more like energies of the brains or massive alucinations... there's a lot of studies bout that... what I really believe is that there are energies that get free when the brain dies, and that energies remains here, on the physical side, or the material side... and that's what we can believe is a ghost... just energy surrounding the places... but you know... maybe when I die I can show you... jajaja.. not.. not kiddin... jejeje...
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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weetabix
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Posted: October 07 2009 at 18:45 |
I have never seen a ghost but where I work at 5:00 the dead come back to life ......... that count?
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mrgd
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Posted: October 05 2009 at 02:12 |
Like Nightfly, this poll is too black and white . There's no room for grey areas - and I'm not being flippant.
I had some experiences in a house I owned back in the early 80s that I simply cannot explain . One of these events took place in the presence of others and two or three others involved just me. I didn't see a human form or white or grey area misty beings moving or anything in that traditional / fantasy sense that others may well claim to have seen. Each of these things occurred in daylight.
All I can say is that my personal experiences [ and I don't really want to go into them any further ] have left me , well , not a non-believer. I am open to the suggested existence of inexplicable forces because I have experienced such things . Paranormal ? Maybe . 'Ghosts ' in common parlance ? I cannot say.
I did some years later find out from a friend who was a relative of a former owner of the house that his wife had died in the house a number of years before I owned it and that he had experienced a strong desire to buy the house back to move into it. He never did . I moved on . The house has changed hands many times and it is still there. I have had no similar experiences since.
From my point of view, religiuos commitment or influences do not enter into it.
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Looking still the same after all these years...
mrgd
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KoS
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Posted: October 01 2009 at 19:49 |
No, I don't believe in ghosts or spirits or physic powers or any of that nonsense.
Now, ghost particles, that's a different story.
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Mind_Drive
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Posted: October 01 2009 at 16:57 |
mrcozdude wrote:
No but I do believe in Psychic energy's which have the presence of a ghost
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yes, me too. also i am not afraid of death (ofc it would be very sad because im much too young to die) because i believe that my soul will perfectly exist without my body and sometime will live in onother body again.
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It's just a ride... <3
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: September 30 2009 at 20:15 |
Jim Garten wrote:
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Me too
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omri
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Posted: September 30 2009 at 04:16 |
I think that modern physics is much more bizzare and odd than any silly ghosts stories. If you feel lack of magic than learn physics. It is all magic !
Apart from that, angels in the bible are people who bring messages. Only much later on (Isia something I guess) there is a descreption of angels as we used to think about them today and they are called in a different name (The one good thing about knowing hebrew is the ability to read the bible in it's original language). However, If you read that descreption closely you'll realise he was taking some hot staff !
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Tarquin Underspoon
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 16:31 |
I believe in something like that. Ghosts, per se? Nah.
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"WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!"
-The Great Gig in the Sky
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The Pessimist
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 14:57 |
No I don't. But then again I am sane
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg
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stonebeard
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 14:55 |
Also, this reminds me of the ending to Opeth's Still Life. The main character (does he have a name?) is right before being hanged sees the ghost of Melinda next to him, despite being an atheist. I think it's an interesting shift for the story. I'd actually like to know if that's a reflection of Mikael's beliefs at all.
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stonebeard
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 14:50 |
LinusW wrote:
I Would love to be wrong though. This world lacks some of that old-fashioned "magic".
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This. It's silly, I know. But I think this thought a lot.
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stonebeard
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 14:48 |
Sometimes I half-heartedly wish there were ghosts, witches, or some sort of occult, but that's usually when I've watched too much Buffy the Vampire Slayer (just started going through all 7 seasons again recently  ).
In the end, no.
Edited by stonebeard - September 29 2009 at 14:48
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Nightfly
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 14:36 |
Perhaps we could have done with a sitting on the fence option in this poll as I couldn't vote yes or no to be honest. While I'm not totally convinced of the existence of ghosts I feel there's too many sightings and experiences by people for there to be nothing in it.
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Dean
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 13:20 |
Personally I think it's chemically induced synesthesia, but if that opens doors then who needs a handle.
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Negoba
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 13:03 |
To be a big ninny, I will say that just because psychotropics are involved doesn't mean the involved aren't touching other dimensions. Many believe that these tools are required to open doors of perception.
Dude, we should start a band....
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Dean
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 13:01 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
BTW: They did have mushrooms and weeds back then ... 
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Unrelated to the discussion between Mike & Rob, but prompted by this line (and a comment in Reviews Discussions - I love the serendipity of unrelated connections) - the Salem Witch Hunts are thought to have been started by people tripping as a result Ergot poisoning from eating bread made with contaminated rye - the "bewitchment" blamed on the hapless victims of the trials. (ergot poisoning is also known as St Anthony's Fire - but I haven't managed to find out why yet). Some of the reported ghost sightings (and perhaps even Angels and other unexplained phenomena) could be the result of hallucinations from the inadvertent eating of psychotropic plants or fungi.
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Epignosis
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Posted: September 29 2009 at 12:41 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
For Lot to see these angels, the angels would have to have displaced / reflected light in order to be visible.
That means, then, that if someone sees a ghost, the ghost must somehow physically exist.
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I don't think this deduction is valid. If ghosts existed (which I don't believe at all) then that would imply the existence of things which our normal laws of physics don't apply to. Your idea of reflection of light is interesting, and yet another hint towards the non-existence of ghosts.
BTW: They did have mushrooms and weeds back then ... 
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