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Posted: August 26 2009 at 12:43
I can understand that some people suggested Bjork or Laurie Anderson, but Toto... Seriously... I have the feeling that a lot of people are mistaking ProgArchives and AOR-Archives.
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Posted: August 26 2009 at 03:46
as much as bands like reo speedwagon or chicago should be..they are not a bad band..had few good songs but they are not prog or prog related..the genre should be more defined..not every band who had a song more than 5 mins long or a bit complex means it is prog related...
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Posted: August 25 2009 at 00:21
It's amazing how we all get in a tizz about debateable inclusions from the past and yet some newer groups with no emotional attachments get an easier passage to PA.
For the record I am not damning the credibility of genre team decisions I just think it is amusing that we can't resolve emotive " past tense" debates............Why? Cos the music was major influential.
We should draw up a list of 20/30 controversials and slug it out once and for all....Owner included
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Posted: August 24 2009 at 22:15
Considered on their own merits, which is the way we are supposed to do it, I would say no. Considered in relation to other bands in prog related, which is how we are not supposed to do it, I would say yes. I think too few of their songs qualify, but, having said that, geez Hydra is a great prog song and a pretty good pop rock album. And Africa is a fantastic pop tune
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 17:03
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From what I heard of them, I judge - NO!
Great musicianship alone does not make it progressive rock.
With all due respect, I don't think anybody here is saying that.
I listen to plenty of artists with amazing technical chops and yet I do not think they are even remotely progressive.
Obviously enough of Toto's music seems Prog enough for this debate to be as split as it is, and I think it should be taken a lot more seriously than simply waving it away as somebody saying good musicianship equals prog.
You're belittling the proposition when you do that.
can we just go ahead and add every rock/metal artist that's ever existed and be done with all the fighting
we can rename the place Somewhat Prog Archives: Your Ultimate Every Band Ever Archive
If the owner decides this is the way to go, it will happen whether you like it or not - unless you all stop whining and decide to contact him and ask him to stop. Personally, I believe comments such as yours are totally useless if not followed by any action. And then, no one is forcing you (or anyone else who is prone to posting such inanities) to visit here, seen the number of prog forums to be found around the web.
Depends which Toto album you hear .. only a frigging jerk would listen to a song like Home Of The Brave s middle section or the song Hyrdra and say it isn't prog ... Only a frigging jerk would go to a Toto concert and come out and say they were just OK musically ....I bet they knock your frigging prog socks off !!! I was at one and it was not long after I saw pink floyd ...progressively Toto blitzed Floyd by a long long way and I only paid $20 to see toto to this day I remember it was the best live prog experience of my life...
Of course they should be on this frigging site .. and perhaps one frigging day they will be if there's any frigging fairness to how it works
How very classy. Wonderful how people can present their opinion as fact, and on the way insult anyone who does not agree with them. I wonder why people on this site have to behave in such an aggressive, immature way to make their point. It should be clear by now that everyone's opinion of what is prog differs wildly, unless we are talking about the original Seventies bands.
Anyway... Why does every suggestion have to became a mud-slinging match against the site or other users? If you disagree with about 50% of the bands included here, why are you still here, attacking those who might hold a different opinion? Do you have any idea of how many prog sites there are on the web? You might even find one that thinks Toto are 'more prog' (absolutely ridiculous concept, IMHO) than Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis and what not.
Ah, in case you were wondering, I couldn't care less if Toto get added - I happen to think that most of the so-called AOR bands are prog-related to a certain extent, and I have never been one to lose sleep (or insult others) about what's here and what's not. What I care about, though, are the dozens of up-and-coming PROG bands that are not in the DB, whom we have a duty - as the 'ultimate prog resource' - to support, instead of coming to blows about Toto, The Stranglers, Bob Dylan, or any such act that does not need our help to stay in the limelight.
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 09:36
of course they should.... the amount of debate on whether they are ... in it's own funny way.. mandates they should be. The purpose of the site is reviewing... and also reflecting the diverse nature of prog and all the various notions of prog.
where the site has gone off the track, me thinks, is thinking we DETERMINE what is prog or not.... instead of making the groups available.. and letting you all decide and influence others through discussion and reviews.
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Yorkie X wrote:
. Wonderful how people can present their opinion as fact, and on the way insult anyone who does not agree with them. I wonder why people on this site have to behave in such an aggressive, immature way to make their point. It should be clear by now that everyone's opinion of what is prog differs wildly, unless we are talking about the original Seventies bands. 