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Mellotron Storm 
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 Posted: September 01 2009 at 09:59 |
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
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micky
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Posted: August 31 2009 at 18:32 |
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Marcin
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Posted: August 31 2009 at 18:14 |
Idmen is just not the album for every prog-rock fan (is more-love it or leave it) and thats the next thing which makes it special...  It's not a 'easy listening' thing like PT or DT. What I found is that Idmen was more high rated on the websites dedicated to experimental/metal music than to classical prog;
I'm really believe in this young, promising Polish band (as a real partriot ) and I hope that one day they can leave their casual jobs just to focus on music... After all I've decided to give this album five stars as it is 'great piece of intense and touching music'...for me...
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: August 29 2009 at 13:40 |
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
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Phideaux
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Posted: August 28 2009 at 21:35 |
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...Ain't that the truth! :-) hahahaha
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: August 28 2009 at 21:03 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
sinkadotentree wrote:
I'm really glad that Sleeper,Negoba,StyLaZyn and Finnforest are enjoying "Idmen".I know the rating has no where to go but up for this amazing album.
I've given 2 one star reviews so far and both were really to make a point about bands who should know better. We all have our own rating systems i guess with ProgArchives as our guide in that,but for me to give 1 star to an album that i don't "get" or simply don't enjoy is my problem, and it's insulting to say it's "poor" not only to the band but to the other reviewers who like it so much.That's my feeling on it. Epignosis i'm sure doesn't mind seeing 1 and 2 star reviews for his album either 'cause that's acceptible right? You don't enjoy it so 1 star it is. "You live by the sword you die by the sword" i read that somewhere.Sorry for being so dramatic  . Heck Robert if you get into Rio/Avant your 1 star reviews might pass your 3 star ratings.Just a thought. It's just that there's a lot of difficult and unmelodic music out there. I must admit i review as a fan not as a critic and that's where i disagree with Micky about the objective/subjective thing. I'm not a musician and not smart enough to say that "Close To The Edge" is brilliantly arranged and played so 5 stars it is.All i know is that compared to the many recordings i've heard over a lot of years that album is one of my favourites and it does stand out. For me it has everything to do with whether i like it or not.And sure great playing and songs(to my ears anyway(subjective)) are what makes me like it(or not). But i think if people know that. Like Jim(Finnforest) i keep all my 4 and 5 star cds in an accessible place so they get played.There is nothing in that bookshelf that i don't like. I miss your old avatar Micky, the one with that album cover from "Sulle Corde Di Aries".I used to think that was your picture until i found out it was an album cover. |
I regularly run into the mindset that if I must give a 1 or 2 star review, it should not be based on whether I like the album or not, at least to a degree. It would be for a poorly executed, including production, release or one that merely is filler, such as a B-sides type album. There are quite a few albums that if I solely placed my taste for the style, they'd get a 1 or 2 star rating. For this reason, I stay away from those that fall under the genres I don't care for.
Example: It is why I don't rate Zappa. I simply don't care for his antics or voice. My attitude in this respect should not detract from an honest review, which I would not be qualified to give.
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I think we all have to rate by our consciousness.I try to do that both ways,i've given 5 stars then later dropped it to 4 because it just didn't feel right to me. I've also bumped up ratings months later.
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: August 28 2009 at 20:54 |
Thanks for the input Micky. Those words make too much sense i just lost it for a second there. I agree that's what's so cool about this site is that any Joe Blow can give his opinion, i think i need to step back and not take what other people say too seriously for my own sanity. I was doing so well there.Back to therapy . Oh and thanks for bringing back your avatar. Now if we can only get Finnforest back in line. 
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: August 28 2009 at 20:46 |
Epignosis wrote:
sinkadotentree wrote:
I'm really glad that Sleeper,Negoba,StyLaZyn and Finnforest are enjoying "Idmen".I know the rating has no where to go but up for this amazing album.
I've given 2 one star reviews so far and both were really to make a point about bands who should know better. We all have our own rating systems i guess with ProgArchives as our guide in that,but for me to give 1 star to an album that i don't "get" or simply don't enjoy is my problem, and it's insulting to say it's "poor" not only to the band but to the other reviewers who like it so much.That's my feeling on it. Epignosis i'm sure doesn't mind seeing 1 and 2 star reviews for his album either 'cause that's acceptible right? You don't enjoy it so 1 star it is. "You live by the sword you die by the sword" i read that somewhere.Sorry for being so dramatic . Heck Robert if you get into Rio/Avant your 1 star reviews might pass your 3 star ratings.Just a thought. It's just that there's a lot of difficult and unmelodic music out there. I must admit i review as a fan not as a critic and that's where i disagree with Micky about the objective/subjective thing. I'm not a musician and not smart enough to say that "Close To The Edge" is brilliantly arranged and played so 5 stars it is.All i know is that compared to the many recordings i've heard over a lot of years that album is one of my favourites and it does stand out. For me it has everything to do with whether i like it or not.And sure great playing and songs(to my ears anyway(subjective)) are what makes me like it(or not). But i think if people know that. Like Jim(Finnforest) i keep all my 4 and 5 star cds in an accessible place so they get played.There is nothing in that bookshelf that i don't like. I miss your old avatar Micky, the one with that album cover from "Sulle Corde Di Aries".I used to think that was your picture until i found out it was an album cover. |
I take it, John, you got my album, and I'm going to be number three?  
I think I give relatively few low ratings, and even as something of a musician, I mainly judge an album on how much it moves me, how much I enjoy it, and how memorable it is. I think for me, those three things are key, which I guess is why I can rate certain "important" albums low while rating high the "not so important."
One star ratings, as I believe I have mentioned, are for those works that I'm sure I will refrain from listening to ever again (for whatever reason and despite multiple listens prior to reviewing them). I do take the genre into consideration (as I believe my track record shows and will continue to show). A one star review for me is never for an album I don't enjoy, but for an album I can't stand to hear (with one notable exception, I believe, which I am considering changing anyway).
As far as my album goes, people are welcome to rate and review it however they wish (though, to be honest, I do wonder why so many rip it on production qualities and yet rate albums a five which even they acknowledge are shoddily produced). As an artist, I would much rather hear what people have to say with regards to the compositions- that is genuinely where my heart is. But, to each his own! 
Hope you're well John!
And Micky, John is right. I truly miss "your face." I honestly believed it was your face also.
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Sorry for the rant Robert, and everyone else too. I sometimes take criticism to music or albums that i love too personally. I think it bothered me more than usual Robert because i know your a musician and a collaborator here,whereas if it was just someone new to the site ot someone i didn't respect i would just roll my eyes and that would be that.It felt good to get it off my chest but i realized it shouldn't be at the expense of others. I do get it.We all have out ways of reviewing,i do too. I'll just have to get used to it.
By the way Robert please keep away from any Anekdoten cds. My heart couldn't take it. Hope your well too. 
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micky
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Posted: August 25 2009 at 17:34 |
sinkadotentree wrote:
I'm really glad that Sleeper,Negoba,StyLaZyn and Finnforest are enjoying "Idmen".I know the rating has no where to go but up for this amazing album.
I've given 2 one star reviews so far and both were really to make a point about bands who should know better. We all have our own rating systems i guess with ProgArchives as our guide in that,but for me to give 1 star to an album that i don't "get" or simply don't enjoy is my problem, and it's insulting to say it's "poor" not only to the band but to the other reviewers who like it so much.That's my feeling on it. Epignosis i'm sure doesn't mind seeing 1 and 2 star reviews for his album either 'cause that's acceptible right? You don't enjoy it so 1 star it is. "You live by the sword you die by the sword" i read that somewhere.Sorry for being so dramatic . Heck Robert if you get into Rio/Avant your 1 star reviews might pass your 3 star ratings.Just a thought. It's just that there's a lot of difficult and unmelodic music out there. I must admit i review as a fan not as a critic and that's where i disagree with Micky about the objective/subjective thing. I'm not a musician and not smart enough to say that "Close To The Edge" is brilliantly arranged and played so 5 stars it is.All i know is that compared to the many recordings i've heard over a lot of years that album is one of my favourites and it does stand out. For me it has everything to do with whether i like it or not.And sure great playing and songs(to my ears anyway(subjective)) are what makes me like it(or not). But i think if people know that. Like Jim(Finnforest) i keep all my 4 and 5 star cds in an accessible place so they get played.There is nothing in that bookshelf that i don't like. I miss your old avatar Micky, the one with that album cover from "Sulle Corde Di Aries".I used to think that was your picture until i found out it was an album cover. |
actually John where the strength of the site is, as far as reviews go, are all the different styles. We have those who rate highly what they like.. trash what they don't. We have those that try to 'inform' us as to what you might get if you purchase the album (the best kind of reviews IMO), and those who try to make comparative analysis between the group's albums ...and other albums of the era. The wealth of different reviewing styles is a plus I thinks. I know the site Raff reviews for has strict guidelines as to layout and content (which is driven by the required layout). Personally I think many of the reviews here are sh*t... but the site does do a GREAT job in noticing and 'promoting' those who DO make good reviews. What makes a good review though. Hmmm.. probably some mix of the three.. whether the reviewer intends to do that or not. I don't know many PR's that have been promoted on the basis of ' I love this album... 5 stars'.. or 'bad production.. and I don't like it... 2 stars'. Yawn...
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micky
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Posted: August 25 2009 at 17:25 |
Plankowner wrote:
Even bad publicity is good publicity.. |
tell that to Torman Mass hahahha and the old avatar is back....
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 25 2009 at 07:47 |
sinkadotentree wrote:
I'm really glad that Sleeper,Negoba,StyLaZyn and Finnforest are enjoying "Idmen".I know the rating has no where to go but up for this amazing album.
I've given 2 one star reviews so far and both were really to make a point about bands who should know better. We all have our own rating systems i guess with ProgArchives as our guide in that,but for me to give 1 star to an album that i don't "get" or simply don't enjoy is my problem, and it's insulting to say it's "poor" not only to the band but to the other reviewers who like it so much.That's my feeling on it. Epignosis i'm sure doesn't mind seeing 1 and 2 star reviews for his album either 'cause that's acceptible right? You don't enjoy it so 1 star it is. "You live by the sword you die by the sword" i read that somewhere.Sorry for being so dramatic . Heck Robert if you get into Rio/Avant your 1 star reviews might pass your 3 star ratings.Just a thought. It's just that there's a lot of difficult and unmelodic music out there. I must admit i review as a fan not as a critic and that's where i disagree with Micky about the objective/subjective thing. I'm not a musician and not smart enough to say that "Close To The Edge" is brilliantly arranged and played so 5 stars it is.All i know is that compared to the many recordings i've heard over a lot of years that album is one of my favourites and it does stand out. For me it has everything to do with whether i like it or not.And sure great playing and songs(to my ears anyway(subjective)) are what makes me like it(or not). But i think if people know that. Like Jim(Finnforest) i keep all my 4 and 5 star cds in an accessible place so they get played.There is nothing in that bookshelf that i don't like. I miss your old avatar Micky, the one with that album cover from "Sulle Corde Di Aries".I used to think that was your picture until i found out it was an album cover. |
I regularly run into the mindset that if I must give a 1 or 2 star review, it should not be based on whether I like the album or not, at least to a degree. It would be for a poorly executed, including production, release or one that merely is filler, such as a B-sides type album. There are quite a few albums that if I solely placed my taste for the style, they'd get a 1 or 2 star rating. For this reason, I stay away from those that fall under the genres I don't care for. Example: It is why I don't rate Zappa. I simply don't care for his antics or voice. My attitude in this respect should not detract from an honest review, which I would not be qualified to give.
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Sikor
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Posted: August 25 2009 at 07:19 |
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1* for Idmen? It has to be joke. And not funny joke.
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sleeper
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Posted: August 25 2009 at 05:43 |
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: August 25 2009 at 01:32 |
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Plankowner
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Posted: August 24 2009 at 22:42 |
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Even bad publicity is good publicity..
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Epignosis
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Posted: August 24 2009 at 22:00 |
Dominic wrote:
One great thing about this thread is that Idmen is getting a bit of exposure, and some folks that might have missed out on this beauty of an album are giving it a try. We've turned all this into something positive.
Hugs, everyone 
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My musical tastes may be perfect, but that's okay if others have different ones.
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Dominic
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Posted: August 24 2009 at 21:58 |
One great thing about this thread is that Idmen is getting a bit of exposure, and some folks that might have missed out on this beauty of an album are giving it a try. We've turned all this into something positive. Hugs, everyone
Edited by Dominic - August 24 2009 at 21:58
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Epignosis
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Posted: August 24 2009 at 21:43 |
sinkadotentree wrote:
I'm really glad that Sleeper,Negoba,StyLaZyn and Finnforest are enjoying "Idmen".I know the rating has no where to go but up for this amazing album.
I've given 2 one star reviews so far and both were really to make a point about bands who should know better. We all have our own rating systems i guess with ProgArchives as our guide in that,but for me to give 1 star to an album that i don't "get" or simply don't enjoy is my problem, and it's insulting to say it's "poor" not only to the band but to the other reviewers who like it so much.That's my feeling on it. Epignosis i'm sure doesn't mind seeing 1 and 2 star reviews for his album either 'cause that's acceptible right? You don't enjoy it so 1 star it is. "You live by the sword you die by the sword" i read that somewhere.Sorry for being so dramatic . Heck Robert if you get into Rio/Avant your 1 star reviews might pass your 3 star ratings.Just a thought. It's just that there's a lot of difficult and unmelodic music out there. I must admit i review as a fan not as a critic and that's where i disagree with Micky about the objective/subjective thing. I'm not a musician and not smart enough to say that "Close To The Edge" is brilliantly arranged and played so 5 stars it is.All i know is that compared to the many recordings i've heard over a lot of years that album is one of my favourites and it does stand out. For me it has everything to do with whether i like it or not.And sure great playing and songs(to my ears anyway(subjective)) are what makes me like it(or not). But i think if people know that. Like Jim(Finnforest) i keep all my 4 and 5 star cds in an accessible place so they get played.There is nothing in that bookshelf that i don't like. I miss your old avatar Micky, the one with that album cover from "Sulle Corde Di Aries".I used to think that was your picture until i found out it was an album cover. |
I take it, John, you got my album, and I'm going to be number three?
I think I give relatively few low ratings, and even as something of a musician, I mainly judge an album on how much it moves me, how much I enjoy it, and how memorable it is. I think for me, those three things are key, which I guess is why I can rate certain "important" albums low while rating high the "not so important."
One star ratings, as I believe I have mentioned, are for those works that I'm sure I will refrain from listening to ever again (for whatever reason and despite multiple listens prior to reviewing them). I do take the genre into consideration (as I believe my track record shows and will continue to show). A one star review for me is never for an album I don't enjoy, but for an album I can't stand to hear (with one notable exception, I believe, which I am considering changing anyway).
As far as my album goes, people are welcome to rate and review it however they wish (though, to be honest, I do wonder why so many rip it on production qualities and yet rate albums a five which even they acknowledge are shoddily produced). As an artist, I would much rather hear what people have to say with regards to the compositions- that is genuinely where my heart is. But, to each his own!
Hope you're well John!
And Micky, John is right. I truly miss "your face." I honestly believed it was your face also.
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: August 24 2009 at 21:08 |
I'm really glad that Sleeper,Negoba,StyLaZyn and Finnforest are enjoying "Idmen".I know the rating has no where to go but up for this amazing album.
I've given 2 one star reviews so far and both were really to make a point about bands who should know better. We all have our own rating systems i guess with ProgArchives as our guide in that,but for me to give 1 star to an album that i don't "get" or simply don't enjoy is my problem, and it's insulting to say it's "poor" not only to the band but to the other reviewers who like it so much.That's my feeling on it. Epignosis i'm sure doesn't mind seeing 1 and 2 star reviews for his album either 'cause that's acceptible right? You don't enjoy it so 1 star it is. "You live by the sword you die by the sword" i read that somewhere.Sorry for being so dramatic . Heck Robert if you get into Rio/Avant your 1 star reviews might pass your 3 star ratings.Just a thought. It's just that there's a lot of difficult and unmelodic music out there. I must admit i review as a fan not as a critic and that's where i disagree with Micky about the objective/subjective thing. I'm not a musician and not smart enough to say that "Close To The Edge" is brilliantly arranged and played so 5 stars it is.All i know is that compared to the many recordings i've heard over a lot of years that album is one of my favourites and it does stand out. For me it has everything to do with whether i like it or not.And sure great playing and songs(to my ears anyway(subjective)) are what makes me like it(or not). But i think if people know that. Like Jim(Finnforest) i keep all my 4 and 5 star cds in an accessible place so they get played.There is nothing in that bookshelf that i don't like. I miss your old avatar Micky, the one with that album cover from "Sulle Corde Di Aries".I used to think that was your picture until i found out it was an album cover. |
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"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
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sleeper
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Posted: August 24 2009 at 17:22 |
rdtprog wrote:
I really like this album but i know that it can be rough on the ears for someone who doesn't like too much intensity in music. It's like going to a horror movie and being shocked by some scenes.  It's a extreme post-metal album... |
ITS NOT POST METAL!
Sorry, pet peev of mine.
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