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There is some silly humour in the Allen incarnation of Gong, but it is never pointless..The whole story of  "Zero the hero" makes complete sense; it is the tale of a spiritual initiation, with sex and drugs being an important part of the initiation. But the holy and wise spirits have a lot of anarchic humour, perhaps BECAUSE they are holy and wise.


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Daevid Allen Gong, mostly.
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Originally posted by gottagetintogetout gottagetintogetout wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by gottagetintogetout gottagetintogetout wrote:

Easy for me: Gong.

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Sorry if I offended you, but I have a hard time understanding Gong's music.  To me, some of it seems like pointless experimentation or texture rather than good music.  Maybe you can help me appreciate what I'm missing while listening to them.

The first thing one should notice about Gong, whether we are talking about the Daevid Allen incarnation or the Pierre Moerlen incarnation, is the excellent musicianship. Even Allen himself is a good lead guitarist, as can be heard on several albums, though within the classic Gong line-up he usually only plays rhythm guitar or glissando guitar. Start there, appreciate the excellent musicianship, then it all falls into place by itself at one point.


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Originally posted by gottagetintogetout gottagetintogetout wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by gottagetintogetout gottagetintogetout wrote:

Easy for me: Gong.

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Sorry if I offended you, but I have a hard time understanding Gong's music.  To me, some of it seems like pointless experimentation or texture rather than good music.  Maybe you can help me appreciate what I'm missing while listening to them.

The first thing one should notice about Gong, whether we are talking about the Daevid Allen incarnation or the Pierre Moerlen incarnation, is the excellent musicianship. Even Allen himself is a good lead guitarist, as can be heard on several albums, though within the classic Gong line-up he usually only plays rhythm guitar or glissando guitar. Start there, appreciate the excellent musicianship, then it all falls into place by itself at one point.


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Are we talking the Daevid Allen incarnations?  You might me more amenable to Pierre Morelen's...
I enjoy both, but the latter appeals to me more.
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Accidentally triple-posted.



Edited by gottagetintogetout - November 11 2009 at 15:42
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Accidentally triple-posted


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Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by gottagetintogetout gottagetintogetout wrote:

Easy for me: Gong.

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Sorry if I offended you, but I have a hard time understanding Gong's music.  To me, some of it seems like pointless experimentation or texture rather than good music.  Maybe you can help me appreciate what I'm missing while listening to them.
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Originally posted by POSW POSW wrote:

Fates Warning had a lot of potential, but there doesn't seem to be any record where they were firing on all cylinders. I've listened to Awaken the Guardian, Parallels, Perfect Symmetry, A Pleasant Shade of Grey, and Disconnected, and none of them were really all that wonderful. Guardian, unfortunately, had John Arch singing on it, Parallels and Perfect Symmetry were good but unmemorable and a little sterile, and they've only gone downhill from there. So unless No Exit is a masterpiece, I've kind of given up on Fates Warning.



Get The Spectre Within as fast as possible. I agree that Fates Warning are an incredibly hit-and-miss band, but The Spectre Within is that mythical album where they're firing on full cylinders and deserves every word of praise it has been awarded.
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Easy for me: Gong.

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Fates Warning had a lot of potential, but there doesn't seem to be any record where they were firing on all cylinders. I've listened to Awaken the Guardian, Parallels, Perfect Symmetry, A Pleasant Shade of Grey, and Disconnected, and none of them were really all that wonderful. Guardian, unfortunately, had John Arch singing on it, Parallels and Perfect Symmetry were good but unmemorable and a little sterile, and they've only gone downhill from there. So unless No Exit is a masterpiece, I've kind of given up on Fates Warning.
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Are Behold the Arctopus popular? Because I hate them.
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Originally posted by Arbiter Arbiter wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Rush. I never understood all the fuss about them. Good musicians, though not as exceptional as their fans try to make them, but the music is nothing special at all.

I notice you added this as an edit. Not only is it churlish.....after all, did I or anyone criticize Magmas musicianship? Not only that, but what makes YOU...........a better judge than Rush fans?

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Well said.

Bah, this is more than stupid. I did not question their musicianship at all; on the contrary, I think I made it quite clear that they are good musicians. My comment does not criticize the musicians or their abilities at all, it is directed at a certain kind of fanboys, especially the Peartians. Mark that I have nothing against people for whom Peart is their favorite drummer; that's their personal taste and fine with me.
But what I DO criticize are people who in certain drummer polls paint a picture like this:
1) Peart
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There is nothing like that for ANY musician.  But do a search for drum polls, and you will often find this attitude among Peart fans. This is what I mean by "not as good as some of their fans put it". If Peart is your favourite drummer, fine; but there is absolutely no reason for belittling other drummers, as is done by comments like "Peart, who else?", a comment you will find several times in drum polls.
This was explained before in this thread; people should read before posting nonsense.


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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2009 at 07:07
Originally posted by Arbiter Arbiter wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Rush. I never understood all the fuss about them. Good musicians, though not as exceptional as their fans try to make them, but the music is nothing special at all.

I notice you added this as an edit. Not only is it churlish.....after all, did I or anyone criticize Magmas musicianship? Not only that, but what makes YOU...........a better judge than Rush fans?

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Well said.

Maybe I went too far...I was a bit annoyed...think I'll go back and delete this one...it's just old history that seems to be popping up too much.


But thanks for agreeing!  Tongue

Done!!

Sorry Baldfriede for being a cranky old sod.


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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Arbiter Arbiter wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Rush. I never understood all the fuss about them. Good musicians, though not as exceptional, and I am a doo doo head, as their fans try to make them, but the music is nothing special at all.

I notice you added this as an edit. Not only is it churlish, but I am a doo doo head.....after all, did I or anyone criticize Magmas musicianship? Not only that, but what makes YOU...........a better judge than Rush fans?

Dead
As a doo doo head I say well said.


Quacking  and filtering someone's poop can be a lot of fun though. LOL
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Originally posted by Arbiter Arbiter wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Rush. I never understood all the fuss about them. Good musicians, though not as exceptional, and I am a doo doo head, as their fans try to make them, but the music is nothing special at all.

I notice you added this as an edit. Not only is it churlish, but I am a doo doo head.....after all, did I or anyone criticize Magmas musicianship? Not only that, but what makes YOU...........a better judge than Rush fans?

Dead
As a doo doo head I say well said.

Quoting and altering someone's post can be a lot of fun though. LOL

Originally posted by Xanthous Xanthous wrote:

Most Prog-Metal.

I'm with you on that but have nothing against it either.  Of course I like a bit of avant and I know that one drives many people up the wall.


Edited by Slartibartfast - November 09 2009 at 07:01
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Rush. I never understood all the fuss about them. Good musicians, though not as exceptional as their fans try to make them, but the music is nothing special at all.

I notice you added this as an edit. Not only is it churlish.....after all, did I or anyone criticize Magmas musicianship? Not only that, but what makes YOU...........a better judge than Rush fans?

Dead
Well said.
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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Henry Cow.


What do you mean, "They're not that popular"?

On this forum there are pretty much pop stars. For good reason though.
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Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Rush. I never understood all the fuss about them. Good musicians, though not as exceptional as their fans try to make them, but the music is nothing special at all.
Same here even though I've seen them six times. Every time seemed no different. And that Abnoxious Neil Peart drum solo that hasn' changed much since the 70s. I actually adread Neil Peart drum solos.

Basically just about anything past the seventies I can't get into.
 
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