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Poll Question: Which Format do you listen to most often?
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^ Altec Lansing? It's surely not a bad brand, but switching to a 2.1 system could be a huge improvement at little cost.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2009 at 01:43
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ " imagine re-ripping all of it at a higher bit rate? That'd be interminable torture"

This is why I am ripping them in a high bitrate - I would hate to have to do it all over again. At 256kbit you can't distinguish them from the original (this has been proven by many independent tests - I don't believe anyone who says they can hear a difference), so this is the optimum middle ground between file size and quality for me.

So ... do yourself a favor and never ever buy decent speakers ... you would be in for interminable torture, both when listening to the music and having to rip the CDs again.Wink


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A billion times better than the laptop's built-in things. If I ever decide to get some high-quality system instead, well, I'll just play my CDs. Heck knows I'm NOT going to rip 1,200 compact discs again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2009 at 01:27
I prefer CD's, but nearly always end up listening to MP3's.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2009 at 01:22
^ " imagine re-ripping all of it at a higher bit rate? That'd be interminable torture"

This is why I am ripping them in a high bitrate - I would hate to have to do it all over again. At 256kbit you can't distinguish them from the original (this has been proven by many independent tests - I don't believe anyone who says they can hear a difference), so this is the optimum middle ground between file size and quality for me.

So ... do yourself a favor and never ever buy decent speakers ... you would be in for interminable torture, both when listening to the music and having to rip the CDs again.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 21:51
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Most often? I think I listen to MP3 almost exclusively these days. All legal of course ... About 90% is my own CD collection ripped to MP3, the others are mostly from eMusic.com, but also from Amazon MP3 (they opened in Germany about two months ago).

I rarely ever listen to CD directly anymore ... but I still listen to vinyl, and DVD-Audio.

You may have mentioned this in another thread, but what bitrate do you like.  I do WMA and I've heard that a WMA can be done at half the bit rate of any MP3 bit rate and you get the same quality (might just be Microsoft propaganda or something).


I think that WMA might still have some advantages over MP3 at really low bitrates (e.g. a 64kbit WMA will sound better than a 64kbit MP3). But at this level of compression both formats can't compete with the original signal.


I rip everything to 64kbit WMA. I do it out of habit, since I've been ripping CDs ever since I only had a 4 GB desktop way back when. While its obviously not at CD quality, I don't get any knee-jerk reactions about the less-than-perfect-sound. Plus, it helps me save space. I already have 40 GB of music that I've ripped from my CDs... imagine re-ripping all of it at a higher bit rate? That'd be interminable torture.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 21:42
A combination of CD and MP3, though I'm starting to listen to more vinyl now too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 21:24
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:



I think that WMA might still have some advantages over MP3 at really low bitrates (e.g. a 64kbit WMA will sound better than a 64kbit MP3). But at this level of compression both formats can't compete with the original signal.

I use CDex to rip the CDs to MP3 ... it uses the LAME encoder, and I configure it to a variable bitrate at highest quality settings (q=0). Usually that results in average bitrates around 256kbit. I wouldn't recommend using any less with MP3 ... with WMA I think I would also use 256kbit, mainly to be on the safe.

Yeah when I read that the WMAs were as good as the MP3s at half the bit rate, I totally re-ripped everything to 64 WMA.  I think the reloading was what did my Creative Labs player in, because in my first round I started out MP3 at a higher rate.  I think it was 256.  Then redid everything at 128 MP3 then again at 64 WMA.  I've been happy with the 64 bit WMA.  Plus I'd rather blow my brains out than re-rip everything to a higher rate and run into that whole space problem thing on my Zune.  Still when that wears out and the technology improves, you never know. LOL

I still have the CDs for best quality listening and I can't see departing with the "hard" copies.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 20:49
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

I agree with Slartibartfast, in that I listen to my collection of CDs as WMA files.  Searching through my Zune software is much easier than searching through all my CDs, and while at school my mp3 player is what keeps me sane walking to and from classes. 


I like my Zune.  My first player a Creative Labs one, had a hard drive failure.  My Toshiba Gigabeat filled up and starting misbehaving, plus their support was terrible.  It's still around for in pinch.  Zune's got enough capacity that is should last me for a while.  So cool to be able to carry my whole damn collection around with me. Big smile


Agreed.  Of all the varied mp3 players I've tried, iPod was annoying (as is the iTunes software IMO), several others weren't very nice feature-wise, then I found the Zune, did pretty much everything I wanted and was simple to navigate. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 16:04
Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

I agree with Slartibartfast, in that I listen to my collection of CDs as WMA files.  Searching through my Zune software is much easier than searching through all my CDs, and while at school my mp3 player is what keeps me sane walking to and from classes. 


I like my Zune.  My first player a Creative Labs one, had a hard drive failure.  My Toshiba Gigabeat filled up and starting misbehaving, plus their support was terrible.  It's still around for in pinch.  Zune's got enough capacity that is should last me for a while.  So cool to be able to carry my whole damn collection around with me. Big smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 15:58
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Most often? I think I listen to MP3 almost exclusively these days. All legal of course ... About 90% is my own CD collection ripped to MP3, the others are mostly from eMusic.com, but also from Amazon MP3 (they opened in Germany about two months ago).

I rarely ever listen to CD directly anymore ... but I still listen to vinyl, and DVD-Audio.

You may have mentioned this in another thread, but what bitrate do you like.  I do WMA and I've heard that a WMA can be done at half the bit rate of any MP3 bit rate and you get the same quality (might just be Microsoft propaganda or something).


I think that WMA might still have some advantages over MP3 at really low bitrates (e.g. a 64kbit WMA will sound better than a 64kbit MP3). But at this level of compression both formats can't compete with the original signal.

I use CDex to rip the CDs to MP3 ... it uses the LAME encoder, and I configure it to a variable bitrate at highest quality settings (q=0). Usually that results in average bitrates around 256kbit. I wouldn't recommend using any less with MP3 ... with WMA I think I would also use 256kbit, mainly to be on the safe.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 15:54
I agree with Slartibartfast, in that I listen to my collection of CDs as WMA files.  Searching through my Zune software is much easier than searching through all my CDs, and while at school my mp3 player is what keeps me sane walking to and from classes. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 15:16

The vast majority of my music is on CD which I convert to ATRAC3plus for my Walkman (64mps). I spend most of my time listening on my Walkman and computer through SonicStage. I also play the odd CD every now and again and listen through headphones -70% or speakers (30%). My Walkman fits my lifestyle perfectly and have none of the reported problems with SonicStage - perhaps I am not as impatient as some folk.Wink  On rare occassions I'll play my old vinyls but I need to invest in a decent stylus - my daughter decided my old one was a nice toy. Grrr!

 
I am yet to download any mp3 stuff as I like the physicality of CDs.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 14:35
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Most often? I think I listen to MP3 almost exclusively these days. All legal of course ... About 90% is my own CD collection ripped to MP3, the others are mostly from eMusic.com, but also from Amazon MP3 (they opened in Germany about two months ago).

I rarely ever listen to CD directly anymore ... but I still listen to vinyl, and DVD-Audio.

You may have mentioned this in another thread, but what bitrate do you like.  I do WMA and I've heard that a WMA can be done at half the bit rate of any MP3 bit rate and you get the same quality (might just be Microsoft propaganda or something).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 14:21
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I did a similar poll a little while back, and CD came out top on that. I listen almost exclusively to MP3 legal these days, with most of my CD collection ripped to the PC. That's why I only had 35 on the PA Top 100 thread in vinyl/CD - most of my collection now is downloaded.


If you purchased the files through legal channels then of course they're part of your collection.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 13:48
yea i rarely listen to cds directly, its all mp3 ripped from cds. i think 20% of my music collection is a mix of trades, D/L (legal and unregulated), and other various sources...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 13:40
I did a similar poll a little while back, and CD came out top on that. I listen almost exclusively to MP3 legal these days, with most of my CD collection ripped to the PC. That's why I only had 35 on the PA Top 100 thread in vinyl/CD - most of my collection now is downloaded.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 13:38
Music ripped from my CDs, of course.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 13:35
Most often? I think I listen to MP3 almost exclusively these days. All legal of course ... About 90% is my own CD collection ripped to MP3, the others are mostly from eMusic.com, but also from Amazon MP3 (they opened in Germany about two months ago).

I rarely ever listen to CD directly anymore ... but I still listen to vinyl, and DVD-Audio.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 13:33
I read that blank VHS are about to go extinct.  Time for one of favorite cartoons whenever this subject comes up:

cartoon: comic about a museum of obsolete technology
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 12:38
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Is there an echo in here?

I've noticed that happen to me on occasion.  The post takes too long to go through so I keep clicking the post reply button. LOL
Usually I catch it and delete the repeat to make everything neat.
I wish I had a good dbx cassette deck.  I'm got some rare stuff recorded off the radio I can't play back anymore.
When did reel to reel fade away anyway?  That used to be the bomb for audiophiles.


We got a place in St. Louis that sells turntable,decks and reel to reels(Record Exchange). I don't know of anyplace locally where you can still pick up reel tape though. I suppose if you got a reel to reel a search of the net would turn up someone that still sells tape.
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