Turntables

 

Tony:

I remember the JBE Slate turntable,it was not a good sounding deck at all & that strange alloy patterned platter looked the pants,Slate or marble even Granite is not a good idea for turntable construction,well most i've heard:JBE,Michell 'Marble ref' etc sound poor.

JBE

  JA Michell 'Marble ref'

oliverstoned wrote: Yes, but that's not the same suspension system. Anyway, that's not for nothing that Linn LP12 is a legend. It's very musical, maybe little less neutral than PT, but VERY musical.

 

Oliver:

It is not a legend.The legendary status was brought on by Dealership & audio press through the years,as Tony pointed out the Ex-Linn salesman has admitted there were not good,i too have heard this from ex-linn trained dealers from Morrgate Acoustics & Audio centre in Sheffield,UK.,it goes like this:Ivor Tiffenburn was an excellent buisness man in respect that he had the ability to grasp the market & dealership in such a way as to sell his deck to every Tom,Dick & harry.Linn products themselves are total rubbish & extremely overated.During the 80's we had a boom in the UK in audio circles called the Cottage industry where many a company appeared with their offering & many of those offering were far better sounding than the Linn,but it was the the influence that killed them & that only.Before the cottage boom there was'nt very much in the way of good turntables in the '70's hence the perfect time for Linn to introduce the 'Sondek'...But can i just point out that The initial design was copied from the Thorens 'TD150' by Hamish Roberton who approached  Castle precision engineering to manufacture components for the  Ariston 'RD11',to cut a long story short there was a lot of falling out & stealing of design approach,Castle though manufactured the shall we say stolen designed components  for the early Linn before manufacturing them,themselves at Floors road,Glasgow later on.BTW:I have an extensivly modified Thorens 'TD150',one of many decks & it floors the Linn hands down,which is not hard.

LINN WERE A CON.THE 'LP12' WAS A CARBON COPY OF THE ARISTON 'RD11'

Believe it.

 

A THORENS 'TD150' IN NEW SURROUND' (STUDY) Introduced in 1960's

ARISTON 'RD11' BEING STRIPPED FOR RE-BUILD

LINN 'SONDECK'LP12...THE INFERIOR COPY.

 

 

 

Edited by Barbarian

Oliver, I had the Linn set up by the Sound Organisation in York - one of the top Linn dealers. If they can't make it sound right, it won't ever sound right. It didn't, even on their choice of support. The support was not the problem, it was the deck. The guy who did the demo (who has since left their employment) now admits that, although he pushed and praised the LP12 at the time, he didn't actually like the deck!

The PT had identical support and sounded SO superior.

Tony

There was certainly no love lost between Ivor Tiefenbrun and Arthur Khoubesserian of Pink Triangle! I never heard the Pink Link but I bet it drove Ivor mad. I suspect it was done partly as a piss take and partly to demonstrate the fairly obvious deficiencies of the LP12.

Linn wouldn't allow any dealer who sold their products to stock PT's stuff as well under pain of losing the Linn franchise. Were they scared of direct comparison?

I am one of very few who have heard a direct comparison since I inherited a Linn LP12 from my father and I bought a PT Anniversary for myself. The PT was MILES better - and I mean MILES!!! Switching from the Linn to the PT was like removing a curtain from in front of the speakers. Yet still the LInn gets rave reviews - God knows how. I wonder if the reviewers have actually listened to it.

Tony

have you seen the nakamichi tape decks?

There are even better

Ha ha!

i admit that Pink triangle is very good but Roksan is very average...

Linn LP 12 smokes this!!
But as i explain above, YOU NEED TO PUT IT WELL IN ORDER IT WORKS; ITS NOT AS SIMPLE TO PUT IT ON A POOR FURNITURE AND PLUG IT. IT DESERVES MORE!

Karnevil9 wrote: .

Why did you delete your message?
    

Edited by oliverstoned - September 08 2006 at 09:19

Hang on... why's it called Pink Triangle..?

Actually, Pink triangle is very good, and is Linn's concurrent.
The Anniversary SE model is very good.
The pb with Linn is its suspension system which required
the turntable to be on a very stable support and often a good canceller vib system.
If not, it doesn't works at all.

On another hand, Roksan is really average and REALLY BELOW REGA 3!!!!!

>>>

Hmmm...quite confuse

I'm sure it's not your last message, anyway!

First , i NEVER read reviews, i hate it, especially here in France, they are corrupted, they only review bad devices and brands, and they never give good advices.
All i know comes from an audiophile who learn me all.

Second, i don't put all my money in granit, when i'll put the pics on the site, you'll see i put concrete pieces on my speakers and my sub (7 kg on each speaker and 100 kg on the sub).
I have a very very tight budget system.
I go to the best with the few money i have.

But of course, i'm waiting to have extra money to buy granit pieces which are much more nicer aesthetically.

I just dream on very musical gear, i think english are the best for budget musical devices , btw it's curious you don't like Rega planar 3, which embodies the perfect little product which works. Like Linn LP12, which is an absolute reference in its category. Like Qed cables, Nad and rotel integrated amps and cd players, etc...

See you soon, my darling, and keep that britannic phlegm that fits you so well...