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Points: 785 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2009 at 23:29
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Prog rock? GAY?
 
Why. That's ridiculous.


LOL  how about that sexy Foxtrot dress, too?
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Points: 905 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2009 at 10:19
Prog rock? GAY?
 
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Why. That's ridiculous.
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Points: 2447 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2009 at 07:50
A very interesting, and balanced, discussion.

Really, sexual orientation has never affected my appreciation of any music, though I admit that my friends and I probably made some inappropriate jokes about Freddie Mercury when we found out he was gay back in our early teens.

On the prog front, I understand from a friend who supported the band in their early days (in the mid-70's), that The Enid's Robert John Godfrey was always openly gay.  I found this out before I'd ever heard their music, and it didn't dissuade me at all from checking out their music and I'm quite glad I did (though I suspect that an album title like "Aiery Faery Nonsense" may have made me suspect there might be a gay person in the band Wink )
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I have nothing, per usual, of substance to say, but I just wish to thank those who responded to my queries.
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by el dingo el dingo wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

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More related to the topic: Can anyone think of any gay Prog musicians who sing about gay issues?  An artist's sexuality (in and of itself) is not of particular interest to me, but it is interesting to look for queer text and subtext in the arts even though I am hetero (at least my masculine side is hetero -- my feminine side is lesbian).  It's interesting to me how that sexuality (and how it relates to one's politics/ ideology/ perspective...) affects the art (and not just in regards to lyrics).
 
Not really Prog, but in the late 1970s UK's The Tom Robinson Band virtually built their career around singing about gay issues. Their whole marketing seemed to be. orientated around lead singer Tom Robinson's sexuality, and the band had several Top Ten UK hit singles and a Top Ten album - "Power in the Darkness".
 
Their live set closer was always "Sing If You're Glad To Be Gay" - I saw them twice in London and was really impressed by the guitarist Danny Kustow. Musically they were kind of intelligent power-pop with some nice keyboard fills and guitar breaks.
 
Straight girls used to really fancy Tom in those days - my then girlfriend certainly did!
 
 
 
 
 
Tom went on to a very successful solo career -


The Tom Robinson Band produced some great songs, mostly very left leaning, with a good number of them tackling gay rights.  The title cut to "Power in the Darkness" is a majestic hard rock number with a satirical spoken section in which the classic conservative Brit rants about how he wants freedom from every despicable minority - including but not limited to prostitutes, pansies and punks, football hooligans, juvenile delinquents, lesbians and left wing scum!  It's a classic piece of work.
 
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Points: 4202 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2009 at 02:44
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More related to the topic: Can anyone think of any gay Prog musicians who sing about gay issues?


I've got this ultrarare album by UK band Cirkus, and their selfproduced 1973 album is a (well meant and very naive, but the stringloaded, lush and melodic protoprogsound is very nice) conceptalbum about a two childhood friends and one of them a man borned with the mind of a  woman. I have never paid full attention to the lyrics, but I think he/she loves his friend.  In last track, the proggiest and longest Titletrack she finally gets her sex-change, I think. Check them out on myspace (the first five tracks are from that album).
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Points: 9080 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2009 at 19:06
Originally posted by el dingo el dingo wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

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More related to the topic: Can anyone think of any gay Prog musicians who sing about gay issues?  An artist's sexuality (in and of itself) is not of particular interest to me, but it is interesting to look for queer text and subtext in the arts even though I am hetero (at least my masculine side is hetero -- my feminine side is lesbian).  It's interesting to me how that sexuality (and how it relates to one's politics/ ideology/ perspective...) affects the art (and not just in regards to lyrics).
 
Not really Prog, but in the late 1970s UK's The Tom Robinson Band virtually built their career around singing about gay issues. Their whole marketing seemed to be. orientated around lead singer Tom Robinson's sexuality, and the band had several Top Ten UK hit singles and a Top Ten album - "Power in the Darkness".
 
Their live set closer was always "Sing If You're Glad To Be Gay" - I saw them twice in London and was really impressed by the guitarist Danny Kustow. Musically they were kind of intelligent power-pop with some nice keyboard fills and guitar breaks.
 
Straight girls used to really fancy Tom in those days - my then girlfriend certainly did!
 
 
 
 
 
Tom went on to a very successful solo career -


The Tom Robinson Band produced some great songs, mostly very left leaning, with a good number of them tackling gay rights.  The title cut to "Power in the Darkness" is a majestic hard rock number with a satirical spoken section in which the classic conservative Brit rants about how he wants freedom from every despicable minority - including but not limited to prostitutes, pansies and punks, football hooligans, juvenile delinquents, lesbians and left wing scum!  It's a classic piece of work.
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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2009 at 18:20
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Maybe because they play black metal and praise Satan, which seem to be tthe antithesis of prog ?
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2009 at 18:04
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Gorgoroth's music is regressive.
 
Can you really explain why?
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Points: 7053 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2009 at 17:33
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

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More related to the topic: Can anyone think of any gay Prog musicians who sing about gay issues?  An artist's sexuality (in and of itself) is not of particular interest to me, but it is interesting to look for queer text and subtext in the arts even though I am hetero (at least my masculine side is hetero -- my feminine side is lesbian).  It's interesting to me how that sexuality (and how it relates to one's politics/ ideology/ perspective...) affects the art (and not just in regards to lyrics).
 
Not really Prog, but in the late 1970s UK's The Tom Robinson Band virtually built their career around singing about gay issues. Their whole marketing seemed to be. orientated around lead singer Tom Robinson's sexuality, and the band had several Top Ten UK hit singles and a Top Ten album - "Power in the Darkness".
 
Their live set closer was always "Sing If You're Glad To Be Gay" - I saw them twice in London and was really impressed by the guitarist Danny Kustow. Musically they were kind of intelligent power-pop with some nice keyboard fills and guitar breaks.
 
Straight girls used to really fancy Tom in those days - my then girlfriend certainly did!
 
 
 
 
 
Tom went on to a very successful solo career -
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2009 at 17:30
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Looking up LaBrie, it seems to have a connection to the Marquis de Brie, so why LaBrie instead of de Brie (or DeBrie) if it does refer more to the region as I guess it would? Of course, to my understanding, having the in a French name often refers to a thing or profession.  la Brie, instead of le Brie, would have said "the feminine cheese" ;) to me, but that's my ignorance-speaking.
My guess (and it is just an ill-informed uneducated guess) is that at some time in history the family name could have been de la Brie (i.e. of the Brie region) ... like de la Croix (which became Delacroix, Decroix and Lacroix) ... and there is a family name of Debrie.
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Points: 799 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2009 at 17:28
LOL, leave it to PA to further the discussion of sexuality into an exploration of gender and how it's related to linguistics!

At least it's a relatively intelligently stimulating discussion, though! (Perhaps this confirms why prog and gay culture have not yet combined - yes, that is a barb at gay culture, but not to gay people)...
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

^ le is for masculine, and la is for feminine :)

"de" means "of" in the meaning of "from" and is similar to "von" (German). this an indirect reference to the family the person belongs to. in ancient times the family names was that of the family property (le duc de Nemours meaning the duke of Nemours). so when you say "de Nemours" you mean that the person is part of the Nemours family, which is the noble family that owns Nemours.

this is different to "van" (Dutch), which also refers to the family the person belongs to. but here there is no reference to a core property, which gives the family name. for example, Vincent van Gogh means Vincent is a part of the Gogh family/clan. I think this is also similar to the use of "de" in Spanish. Miguel de Cervantes y Saavedra: here "de" only refers to Miguel's parents' family names (which are both mentioned). As modern times came and the noble class started to disappear, the "de" reference remained only a family name without the "from" kind of reference to the family property.

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Points: 799 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2009 at 16:57
Interesting, I found a Yahoo group for gay prog fans:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gayprogfans/summary



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^ le is for masculine, and la is for feminine :)

"de" means "of" in the meaning of "from" and is similar to "von" (German). this an indirect reference to the family the person belongs to. in ancient times the family names was that of the family property (le duc de Nemours meaning the duke of Nemours). so when you say "de Nemours" you mean that the person is part of the Nemours family, which is the noble family that owns Nemours.

this is different to "van" (Dutch), which also refers to the family the person belongs to. but here there is no reference to a core property, which gives the family name. for example, Vincent van Gogh means Vincent is a part of the Gogh family/clan, there is no Gogh property. I think this is also similar to the use of "de" in Spanish. Miguel de Cervantes y Saavedra: here "de" only refers to Miguel's parents' family names (which are both mentioned). As modern times came and the noble class started to disappear, the "de" reference remained only a family name without the "from" kind of reference to the family property.

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Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

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Well, as you may probably know this cheese owes its name to the area it comes from, mainly la Brie. Therefore, DT vocalist's last name has more in common with the area than with the cheese that is produced there.
 


Sorry, I know this is off-topic, and rather stupid, and I could google, but... Before my surname was Anglicised long ago, it had a "de" (of) in front of it, and the surname was an area in France, but what does le or la (I know it means "the") in front of a surname mean?  Does it commonly have the same regional connotations?  Looking up LaBrie, it seems to have a connection to the Marquis de Brie, so why LaBrie instead of de Brie (or DeBrie) if it does refer more to the region as I guess it would? Of course, to my understanding, having the in a French name often refers to a thing or profession.  la Brie, instead of le Brie, would have said "the feminine cheese" ;) to me, but that's my ignorance-speaking.

More related to the topic: Can anyone think of any gay Prog musicians who sing about gay issues?  An artist's sexuality (in and of itself) is not of particular interest to me, but it is interesting to look for queer text and subtext in the arts even though I am hetero (at least my masculine side is hetero -- my feminine side is lesbian).  It's interesting to me how that sexuality (and how it relates to one's politics/ ideology/ perspective...) affects the art (and not just in regards to lyrics).


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Originally posted by Statutory-Mike Statutory-Mike wrote:

To be honest, when I'm listening to music, the last thing that comes to mind is the musicians sexual orientation. If they make good music, I'm listening, doesn't matter if they're gay, straight, or bi-sexual.


That's fantastic. You are an incredible, unique and very interesting person. But this thread is for those of us who are obsessed with musicians sexual orientation.
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Well, as you may probably know this cheese owes its name to the area it comes from, mainly la Brie. Therefore, DT vocalist's last name has more in common with the area than with the cheese that is produced there.
 
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Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

And James LaBrie should be gay.  Notice his name references cheese as well.
 
The french cheese is le brie.

Details...details. The coincidence is too funny.
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Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

And James LaBrie should be gay.  Notice his name references cheese as well.
 
The french cheese is le brie.
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