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Windhawk
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 22:33 |
ProgressivexGrooves wrote:
Dear Windhawk and Neo Prog team .
Thanks for this inspiring read - keep up the good work !
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Thanks for the feedback - it is appreciated :-)
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ProgressivexGrooves
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 22:11 |
Dear Windhawk and Neo Prog team .
Thanks for this inspiring read - keep up the good work !
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Progressive x Grooves ..... bridging both styles !
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debrewguy
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Posted: July 05 2009 at 12:05 |
Would the genre get more respect if we found a thousand unknown obscure Neo bands ? Sometimes I wonder if that's pre-requisite for admittance in to that special club of "artistes" .
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Passionist
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Posted: July 05 2009 at 04:15 |
I'd like to thank you for the hard work you have done. I really love to be a part of a community that does such a great favor to what I feel so passionate about. And finally I have a way of reasoning my preferences to my female friends the way they themselves will better understand. Wish I myself had had a part in doing that, though you seem to have managed it all fine yourselves. Nice job guys.
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Windhawk
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Posted: July 03 2009 at 04:13 |
Actually, the old definition had stronger ties grasping back to symphonic than the new one. The opening three paragraphs of the new one are more or less unchanged from the past version; while the latter three replaces paragraphs detailing what was outlined in the first three with descriptions that opens up quite a lot of new ground/new possibilities for the genre. Including what has been coined Nu-prog (sic) by some.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: July 03 2009 at 03:34 |
While I appreciated all of the work the neo-prog team has done on this, I think the new definition goes way too far in grasping back to the roots in symphonic and does not go far enough acknowledging the harder edge of neo-prog (i.e. Pallas, and a shout out to Triumph [even though they are in prog-related.])
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debrewguy
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Posted: July 01 2009 at 19:58 |
next step - getting neo prog the respect it deserves !
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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progkidjoel
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Posted: July 01 2009 at 04:28 |
I'd also like to mention that it was good you changed the Marillion entry...
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Windhawk
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 23:21 |
Generally, I'd push music with more typical mainstream musical tendencies over to the Crossover team myself. But there's no denying the fact that part of the reason for the definition change here was to be able to include bands that fell between the cracks - artists generally thought to belong here that due to one reason or another isn't seen to belong in the other subs. We will usually take them rather than witness prolonged sessions of pass the ball.
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Dean
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 19:41 |
That's a fair question Moris - there is a small degree of overlap between Neo-Prog and Crossover but the two subgenres remain rooted in their "parent" subgenres (for want of a better terminology) and are used to maintain that seperation between them. To date the interchangeability has generally flowed in one direction (from Neo to Xover) governed by the "mainstream" quotient of the music (eg Gazpacho)
The eclecticism of both subs is from non-Prog sources rather than Prog sources so it is the "prog" element that defines where any artist should reside, not the punk, new wave, AOR, metal etc. elements. Therefore any symphonic influence would probably push the addition towards Neo rather than Xover.
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What?
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clarke2001
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 19:08 |
I salute the expanded Neo Prog, but I must ask one question: how to carefully allocate ehm... interchangeability with Crossover Prog? I mean, in the very core Neo Prog is a form of rock music often resembling its Symphonic Prog origins in dense and compact form with high production values. In essence, Crossover Prog is Art Rock often stepping in more traditional pop rock structures. They're both having high degree of eclecticism. Nowadays they're both sharing (as other forms of prog as well) a rich pedigree of potential influences, varying from punk& new wave, AOR, metal to new age and electronica. As music is constantly evolving, subgenres are spreading away from the core. I'm asking this because my knowledge of the genre is anything but deep, and I would appreciate any answers. Please keep in mind this is by no means a negative criticism - in fact, this widened definition is a great answer to all neo-haters that Neo-Prog is one of the many members of large Prog family, constantly changing, evolving and pushing forward
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DaysBeforeTomorrow
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 12:05 |
Yes it does :-).
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Windhawk
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 11:33 |
Corresponds nicely with paragraphs 3 - 6 of the new Neo definition, actually ;-)
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DaysBeforeTomorrow
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 10:55 |
Nah, we're totally fine with neo-prog, even if our influences were more 80s than 70s. :-)
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Windhawk
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 10:44 |
In terms of stylistic expression, your musical style was thought to fit marginally better in the Neo-Prog category than in the others. A few years ago it would probably have been labelled art rock.
Feel free to contact any of the other genre specialist teams if you want them to consider moving you to their part of the progarchives - click the genre names on the frontpage, and the team members of that particular genre can be found at the bottom of the page; with a menu giving the choice to send a personal message :-)
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DaysBeforeTomorrow
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 10:22 |
Now I don't know who I am! Are Days Before Tomorrow still neo-prog in your book, or are we something different? Somebody tell me just who I am :-p.
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progkidjoel
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 02:59 |
Thanks
-Joel
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Dr Clovenhoof
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 18:02 |
Thanks for this, its a valiant effort to identify some common ground in a diverse sub-genre.
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Existence is no advantage!
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Dean
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Posted: May 19 2009 at 11:47 |
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What?
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: May 19 2009 at 10:00 |
Good!
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