USA vs UK progressive

Okay, sorry, Micky for taking it so literally.  Methinks that one of the effects of having stopped smoking recently is that as the nicotine levels go down, the pedanticism goes up. 

rushfan4 wrote: I'd argue that he probably fits closer with Art Rock than Progressive Rock given his shock rock status, and being that he is as much, if not more so, about the performance as he is about the music.  And despite my comments on the previous page I do not associate Alice Cooper with progressive rock either, however, as has since been mentioned, it is also not something that can be completely dismissed either.

my earlier post was.. I thought was obvious with the Elvis quip... tongue in cheek.   Of course he has some relation to prog.. what is prog.... if you cut TO THE BONE.  It is the merging of rock music with the artistic aesthetic.   DId he do that... in his own funny way. He did.   Enough to be included here?...  god knows..I don't think so.. but what do I know.   As I said.. if you added every artist in the 70's who dabbled with arts in music.  This would be allmusic.com.  It comes down in the end to the music... and in that...  I think most would agree he just didn't measure up to that. 

But you were saying that he didn't have "any association with 'Progressive Rock'" as I understood it, which surprised me coming from you.  My general opinion is much the same as yours -- it's really a matter of Prog/ Prog-Relatedness by degree.  Alice Cooper is not closely enough related for me to support his inclusion in PR, but that doesn't mean that he has no association, of course.

I think that is the whole point of matters... like we've said before.. Find me us an  artist in the 70's that wasn't related to prog in some small manner at least...  even beyond mere association...musically a great many of them took something from prog.  My whole problem with PR.. but that is another subject.. beat to death long ago.  

micky wrote: Logan wrote: micky wrote: rushfan4 wrote: There are those that would beg to differ on Alice Cooper.  A semi-recent discussion had those who were citing the shock rocker's progginess.  There was even some mention regarding his latest concept album release. a concept album not a prog album make..... I believe that Alice Cooper had association with progressive rock.  For starters, do you know Pretties for You?  The Alice Cooper band debut from 1969 which was released on Frank Zappa's label? http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2008803 very true... he did have connections with Zappa.  Again though.. we can Kevin Bacon half the musical world into Prog Archives in one or two degrees hahahha.

I think he/ and the band has a musical, as well as personal, relation to Prog, but not enough for me to suggest him for Related.
http://www.amazon.com/Pretties-You-Alice-Cooper/dp/B000056NV6

Oh, for heaven's sake, next time I'll think one hundred times before posting... I thought this poll's title and its placement were clear enough. Do you want to think Alice Cooper is prog? Be my guest - just don't jump all over me for mentioning his name, or slap Uriah Heep in my face when I never ever dreamed of mentioning them. 

Logan wrote: micky wrote: rushfan4 wrote: There are those that would beg to differ on Alice Cooper.  A semi-recent discussion had those who were citing the shock rocker's progginess.  There was even some mention regarding his latest concept album release. a concept album not a prog album make..... I believe that Alice Cooper had association with progressive rock.  For starters, do you know Pretties for You?  The Alice Cooper band debut from 1969 which was released on Frank Zappa's label? http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2008803

very true... he did have connections with Zappa.  Again though.. we can Kevin Bacon half the musical world into Prog Archives in one or two degrees hahahha. 

oh sure he is.. .and that stage show...  it works for prog.  Until we create a sub-genre for shock rock/theatric prog.  We just have to judge on the music.  

School's Out... or 18.. or Under My Wheels just sort of miss the mark a little bit as to what most people think of when it comes to Progressive Rock hahha.

zicIy wrote: micky wrote: zicIy wrote: Raff wrote: Alice Cooper .   why he´s not Prog, if Uriah Heep is ? yes, this is "if X than Y" stuff, BUT PLEASE TELL ME WHY? your opinion? of course i´m here for fun, but ,also, to learn something more  about that progressive music. ever hear of little p and capital P axiom.   progressive rock and Progressive Rock are not one and the same. was Alice Cooper progressive 'rock.'. of course he was. ..so was Elvis ... does he have any association with 'Progressive Rock' Nope. Greetings Micky!

hey Micky, TBH, i think that you can hear that Cooper is very different singer than The King or The Boss

rushfan4 wrote: micky wrote: rushfan4 wrote: There are those that would beg to differ on Alice Cooper.  A semi-recent discussion had those who were citing the shock rocker's progginess.  There was even some mention regarding his latest concept album release. a concept album not a prog album make.....   No but it is a prog factor.  However, I can't say anything at all regarding the music since I haven't heard it, but there were those in that thread that said there was something proggy in the works going on there.

again.. take me up on my offer from the SC zone Scott... wanna take a listen to some things that people call.... prog.   Even the supremely open-minded, someone like me who believe in a inclusive database here, nearly died in laughter.