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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 10:19
^ Whatever happened to the constitutional rights? Someone commits a crime and is sentenced accordingly. Then, after spending decades in jail, these persons should not not be treated any differently than innocent people. *Unless* their psychological condition makes it highly likely that they commit violent crimes again (as it's the case with some sex offenders), in which case they should simply not be released from prison / custody. Any way you put it, to release them and subject them to lifelong harassment is *not* a civilized solution.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 10:10
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Yeah I always think its a tragedy when someone gets funny looks in the supermarket after an innocent night of child rape and murder.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 07:54
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Georgia is one of three states that bans drinking alcohol sales in stores on Sunday, but allows it in bars and restaurants.


Hell yeah Indiana too! LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 06:59
I don't really have much sympathy for real sex offenders, but the law goes way too far in some circumstances labelling certain people as sex offenders.  Mr. Noles is just one case.  It is my understanding that urinating in public in Florida can be considered a sex offense if you're spotted by someone who takes offense.  And come on guys, we've all gone behind the bushes after a long night of drinking. 
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 06:46
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

If children are involved, I don't give a damn about the offenders, I'm strictly on the children's protection side.

Absolutely, the real issue to ponder here is does this law actually do what it's intended to do.

I was on a jury in Georgia last year that involved a defendant that was 30 something and had what was three counts apparently "consensual" acts with a teenager over the course of a couple of days.  I will refrain from the details, fortunately for him, he took a plea on the day we had assembled for the trial, and the teenager was spared from having to testify.  If he had not done so, the judge said he was going to get a life sentence if we found him guilty and suspect we would have.  As it is, he's going away for 30 years and will be on the registry.  Is this guy going to be a threat to teenagers or younger when he gets out?  I don't know.  He's pretty much wrecked his life being a jerk anyway.  I don't know if being on a registry will protect children when he gets out or not or even if he would actually be a threat.  Seems like in this case it may be just piling on, but I think the judge made a good call.  Just glad I didn't have to make the call.

To sidetrack this discussion just a little, Georgia is one of three states that bans drinking alcohol sales in stores on Sunday, but allows it in bars and restaurants.  One of the reasons put forward by defenders of the band is that if it's lifted there will be more drunk drivers.  Seems to me that forcing drunks to go out and drink puts more out on the road than if they could get some on a Sunday and do it at home.  If you live in a county on the border there's a state close enough by where you can get it and bring it home on a Sunday. 
Actually if you listen to other arguments it's really just a thinly veiled attempt to have a personal religious belief codified into law and is a violation of church and state separation.  Of course given the current makeup of the US Supreme Court, highly unlikely it would be struck down if a challenge were to make it there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 03:34
If children are involved, I don't give a damn about the offenders, I'm strictly on the children's protection side.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 02:54
This is clearly a sensitive topic, and I would ask you continue to post with restraint and maturity.
 
Please also bear in mind that is is certain that we have members who have been directly affected by sex offenses of many different kinds.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2009 at 01:36
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Then again, when I drove to Florida to visit my grandparents, Georgia was the only state with billboards for a strib club by the highway. And there were a lot of them.


And Missouri has the gall to call themselves "the show me state".

Seriously, pedophiles and rapists on a registry like that I don't have too much of a problem with.  Would make more sense to have them wear a monitoring device.  Or a psychological evaluation(s) to determine if they are rehabilitated or would continue to pose a threat before imposing those restrictions. 

Putting teens on one for fooling around is just ridiculous.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 23:06
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I'm a rather strict conservative (who drinks an awful lot, but yeah, yeah)...

I don't think that's unusual. ;-)

Quote But still, why say a man can live close to a church?  Is he not available for repentance and hope?

I assume it's because there are youth groups and such, but yes, it is odd that the "Bible Belt" would bar people from practicing their religion, although I guess you could it in your home.

Then again, when I drove to Florida to visit my grandparents, Georgia was the only state with billboards for a strib club by the highway. And there were a lot of them.



I-85 is pretty nasty for that (so is 95).

I understand the reasoning for preventing a sex-offender from being around children.  But does that keep him away from attending church? 

And what if he has his own children?  ConfusedConfusedConfused

Honestly, this law is the greatest example of good intentions that do nothing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 22:53

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I'm a rather strict conservative (who drinks an awful lot, but yeah, yeah)...

I don't think that's unusual. ;-)

Quote But still, why say a man can live close to a church?  Is he not available for repentance and hope?

I assume it's because there are youth groups and such, but yes, it is odd that the "Bible Belt" would bar people from practicing their religion, although I guess you could it in your home.

Then again, when I drove to Florida to visit my grandparents, Georgia was the only state with billboards for a strib club by the highway. And there were a lot of them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 22:48
I'm a rather strict conservative (who drinks an awful lot, but yeah, yeah)...

Anyway, I think this:

[...]under state law, can't live or work within 1,000 feet of a church, school, day-care center, skating rink, park, swimming pool or any other place where children gather.

is retarded.  Can the felon go to church?  Can he go skating?  Can he swim anymore?

Seriously- if a man sexually assaulted my child, he wouldn't have any of the above options at all.  But still, why say a man can't live close to a church?  Can he not go to a church?  Is he not available for repentance and hope?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 21:31
Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Well there is always Mary Kay, from my neck of the woods:
 
 
Of course we constantly see the same thing with male teachers, sports coaches, etc. 


Although the few instances of female offenders tend to be very highly publicized. And you do have a good point James, women do offend as well. And I understand the mental shortcut of ignoring them, but the mental shortcut of ignoring who actually commits these crimes frustrates me a lot.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 21:24
Well there is always Mary Kay, from my neck of the woods:
 
 
Of course we constantly see the same thing with male teachers, sports coaches, etc. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 21:09
Yes, I didn't mean to generalise too much.  It generally is men but I was just indicating that it isn't always.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 21:05
Originally posted by James James wrote:

What a lot of people also seem to forget is that women often are offenders yet nobody looks at a woman in a strange way 'cause they think she's a sex offender.
You are using the word often a bit too freely there. Women are only 14% of offenses against boys and 6% against girls.

I suspect the reason why men overwhelmingly are the rapists and the murderers is probably best left to another thread, though.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 21:00
What a lot of people also seem to forget is that women often are offenders yet nobody looks at a woman in a strange way 'cause they think she's a sex offender.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 20:55

Originally posted by James James wrote:

Also, if for some reason one of us men was to accidently come across an indecent image or two (and it could happen) and we got caught (again, it's possible)

That is unlikely because of the way they tend to target people, as far as I know. But if the FBI continues this tactic, you could be rickrolled to jail.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 20:52
I know a guy who is unfortunately branded a sex offender. He was at a party one night and had a little too much to drink. Of course one thing led to another so he went streaking where unfortunately a parent and child were out walking and saw him. He's now a sex offender. Well, that's my story. Awful story but whatever.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 20:49

Originally posted by zappaholic zappaholic wrote:

First off - child molestation should be a death penalty crime, along with murder and rape.  Sorry, but that's what I believe.  (And I tend more left than right.)

Actually exectuting them would be better than making their lives impossible to live.
Quote How have we allowed things to get this crazy, and is there anything that can be done to stop it?

"Stranger Danger" The best part about the hysteria is that the vast majority of rape is done by someone the victim knows, usually fairly closely. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 20:40
Well said, ZH. Clap

I agree with the second part of your comment entirely.

However, some sex offenders are indeed married with children, so it's not just single men who do it.  You know that though.

However, the media do not portray it as such.

Also, if for some reason one of us men was to accidently come across an indecent image or two (and it could happen) and we got caught (again, it's possible), then that person would get falsely branded for doing something completely by accident.
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