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Poll Question: Is it right to download music for free without the artist's consent?
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They only did it for about a year as it was.  I don't think it worked out too well in the long run.  I loved it though.
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Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:

Back in the late 70's there was a store (actually a small chain of 4 or 5) in West Michigan, where I lived that rented LP's for $1.00 /week (If I remember correctly).  If you liked it you could pay it off and keep it or keep renewing until you owned it.  If not you could just take it back and they put it into a "rental only" bin for 6-8 months and then moved it to the used section.  That's where I finally had the nerve to try out bands like Grobschnitt and Eloy.  
 
LOL, if you had done that in Perú, you'd probably never seen your LP after the first buck. LOL
 
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Back in the late 70's there was a store (actually a small chain of 4 or 5) in West Michigan, where I lived that rented LP's for $1.00 /week (If I remember correctly).  If you liked it you could pay it off and keep it or keep renewing until you owned it.  If not you could just take it back and they put it into a "rental only" bin for 6-8 months and then moved it to the used section.  That's where I finally had the nerve to try out bands like Grobschnitt and Eloy.  
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I actually cannot buy music in the town I live in except in the supermarket. The only brick and mortar store near me is 10 miles away and sells  mainly secondhandJazz and Blues, neither of which appeal to me, so there's not much point my going there - the only high-street stores left in the major towns are HMV, which seem more interested in selling anything but music now-a-days. The Internet provides everything I could possibly want - I can buy cheap from Amazon, Prog from cdBaby, Burningshed, GFT or one of the other specialists, rare and obscure from eBay or I can support bands by buying direct from them (and have a nice exchange of emails with them at the same time). And most of what I order arrives within three days, unless it's coming from the States. And I even bought a download once - a four track EP from Suzanne Barbieri - but only because it wasn't available on CD.
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^^ He's got about a 2 years on me and 5 on you.  I used to love going into the stores to search out music.  After I hit 40 or so it started to lose its charm (along with going to bars to see bands play).  I live in a college town and there are still a couple of "old-fashioned" brick and morttar stores here, but I found I have less and less in common with the folks who worked in the shops, and since that time I've pretty much used the internet.  I haven't been in a record store in almost 5 years.  Trying to get good recommendations from some acne-infested Screamo Metalhead fan is not an effective way to "enjoy the hunt."  God help the "Hot Topic" generation. LOL

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To be honest,  I realize that this downloading thing is the way of the future. I also honestly feel sorry for you guys who didn`t experience the thrill of record hunting without the damn internet. The thrill of the hunt was part of the vinyl experience.
Dean mentions he`s older than 3 of the oldest guys on this thread? How old can he be? 
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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

^Vibrationbaby always complains about how it is now, and talks about how it used to be. You know, like going to vinylstores to learn about music. Its not the young people growing up now's fault those stores hardly exists. 
 
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ Nah - I can see all the hidden posts and you can't, so I have more pages.


Ah, I've created some hidden posts around here.  Hope they've been amusing. LOL
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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^ Nah - I can see all the hidden posts and you can't, so I have more pages.
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If there's something I want to check out I'll always download it first. Then if I really like it I will buy the album. If I bought everything I had an interest to hear I would need to be a millionaire! LOL Every single one of the artists I enjoy today I discovered because I downloaded their music at some point. And I own many of their CDs now and have payed to see numerous concerts!

Downloading is like the tap-trading of the 21st century. It's only bad if abused unfairly. The artists can complain they aren't selling as many albums as they'd like to because of downloading. However, they probably would be selling zero if not for it. (Mainly applies for more independent artists)
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2009 at 15:35
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

(make that 17 Wink)
 
 
...and everyone's still alive. Shocked
 
 
Clap Excellent debate people - well done to all Clap

Now that's weird, I'm using Firefox and it says 16.  We could always start an argument about it. LOL
Oh wait, 17 with this post, you weren't anticipating that were you?


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(make that 17 Wink)
 
 
...and everyone's still alive. Shocked
 
 
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Holy crap!  16 pages on this thread already. LOL

You know the bricks and mortar guys do buy your special requests through the internet.  I actually buy primarily from the internet these days because it's so nice to get home at the end of the workday and find an order in the mailbox.  Sometimes I do have to go for the instant gratification of going the local chain I call, OK Purchase, and getting a major release on its first day out.  My main reason for patronizing the local independent retailer is the thrill of browsing.  Recently found this Fripp & Eno Beyond Even (1992-2006), which isn't even listed in the PA.  I'll get around to it someone doesn't beat me to it.


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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

^Vibrationbaby always complains about how it is now, and talks about how it used to be. You know, like going to vinylstores to learn about music. Its not the young people growing up now's fault those stores hardly exists. 
Ah, I see.
 
It's nobodies fault (or everybodies) - it's economic reality and the evolution of the music business. It's no worse today than then, just different. There was just as much manufactured commercial mainstream "rubbish" then and just as much obscure innovating underground "treasure" now, it was just different. The high-street retailers were only interested in shifting as much Top-40 as they could then too - the small independent stores filled a niche the same way the small independent online retailers do today.... and let's be honest here - the guy in the small bricks and mortar record store is glad of Ian's order, he then goes to the backroom of the store and orders off the internet.
 
I do miss the old stores, and as a "record collector" I did enjoy the thrill of the chase - but I waited over 30 years to hear Kaleidoscope's Faintly Blowing because it was as rare as rockinghorse droppings - I last found a copy in 1978 for £200, which I didn't buy  ... I have it now, for £8.99 thanks to a CD re-issue. Was it worth the wait? Probably not, but I did enjoy reading the CD booklet.
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^Vibrationbaby always complains about how it is now, and talks about how it used to be. You know, like going to vinylstores to learn about music. Its not the young people growing up now's fault those stores hardly exists. 
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^ I'm older than all three of you and I buy everything online.Wink
 
haven't got a clue why people of my generation are more to blame for everything I think is wrong though Confused
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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Gentlemen. It is very simple as I pointed out earlier. Go to the music store. Ask the nice man/woman  if he/ she has the CD or DVD which you require. If he/does not ask nicely if it is possible to order it. This is what we did in the olden days. I don`t get you guys. I still do it. I have NEVER EVER ordered a CD, LP, Cassette, 8 Track over the internet ( Itried once and got burned out of $200 ) and in the end I`ve always managed to hunt down anything I ever wanted. I have close to 4,000 albums/CDs and am proud of the fact that I can remember where just about every single one of them came from although sometimes I find the odd album still in it`s original plastic unopened. There. End of thread. 


Hello stone age man. You won't be able to end end the thread with this post. That's for sure. The world has changed. And people of your own generation is more to blame for everything you think is wrong than musicinterested teenagers growing up now.

I've never had a problem with ordering over the internet. When I order on ebay, its mostly through actual musicstores who also sells online anyway. What is so wrong about that?

Btw: Have you ever tried to go to the CD/DVD musicstore and order an out of print vinyl, that's never been reissued?


 
I may be from the past century (1964 to be exact), but I find what I want using the old method.
 
I go to a small store (4 X 4 Meters, where an older guy witth glasses and a big sign that says "We don't sell CDR's, only original material") gets everything I ask for, if he doesn't have it, he gets it in 4 or 5 days, and foubnd very rare stuff at very decent price for Perú (The only chain store surviving sells at US$ 26.00 each CD, this guy sells them at 17 or 18 bucks and when he doesn't sell it fast, I buy them between 5 and 7 dollars).
 
Being that I buy a lot, he calls me when he gets new material or something that might interest me, that's why I don't buy online very frequently, except from the artists sites.
 
But honestly, I prefer going to this store, because I get what i want and a nice half hour of interesting conversation.
 
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