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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2009 at 16:29
I don't read music, but I can tell you that when I use programs on my computer to write music, I will often find myself being blocked from going further until I assign the correct time signature to the particular bar I'm working on at the time, and sometimes I will end up with something that sounds to me like it could fit a smaller time signature perfectly, but the program itself won't allow it.
 
I think it has alot to do with the note values and rhythms you're using. Sometimes 7/8 will sound better than 7/4 or 6/8 better than 3/8 simply based on the little differences I made in the note values or the rhythms.
 
Again, I can't read music, so my music theory knowledge is very limited, but . . .
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2009 at 15:39
Also the time signature can be based around a paticular melodic figure and what sort of rhytm woud suit it more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2009 at 09:06
As some of the guys with degrees in music theory will also tell you (when they see this thread): Most music is organized in groups of 2 or 3 beats. Of course you can break every complex signature down into such groups, and usually a 3/4 piece will have a grouping of 2-2-2, while one in 6/8 will have 3-3. Personally, in Rock music I usually listen to what bass and snare drum are playing. For example, to tell 7/8 from 7/4 you can count the bass/snare drum notes and compare the pattern to a typical rock beat where the bass drum would be on 1 and 3, and the snare on 2 and 4. As a specific and well known example, if you listen to Pink Floyd - Money, you'll notice that within one sequence of 7, the bass drum plays on 1, 3, 5 and 7, and the snare drum on 2, 4 and 6. That's much more consistent with two bars of 4/4 with the last beat ommitted, than with one bar of 4/4 with one 8th note missing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2009 at 08:07
Basically, 6/8 is 2/4 in triple time, but sometimes it can be a bit confusing:

However, care must be taken when interpreting a 6/8, or similar, time signature, as on occasion they are simple time signatures (6 quavers beats to a bar, as opposed to 2 triplet-quavers to the bar). That said, in the majority of cases, 6/8 is a 2 beat time signature. (Wikipedia)

9/8 is 3/4 in triple time, whereas 12/8 is 4/4 in triple time. All these signatures are compound time signatures, as opposed to simple time signatures.

Here’s the link to Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signature

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2009 at 22:07
As a musician who can read music, I've sometimes found it a bit unusual when there are certain time signatures used instead of others on sheet music. I thought this would be a great place to discuss it.
 
I've constantly been confused on why composers use 6/8, 6/4, and 3/4 seemingly interchangeably. Yes, I can totally understand why some composers use 6/8 as sort of a swung 2/4. However, there have been several times when the piece definetely sounded like it could be in 3/4, and my conducter counted it like that. I swear it would have been so much easier for her to count out "1, 2, 3" than "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6" over and over again. And I have seen 6/4 used, why not just write it as 3/4? 6/4 seems too long of a time signature to me.
 
Also, why do some composers use 12/8 to indicate a swung four when there's only a couple eighth notes in the passage, when a composer could easily have written 4/4 and have used a triplet eighth note in its place?
 
And this is not something that I'm confused about, but I'd thought I'd mention it. The symphony I am in has been playing the last 3 movements of the Firebird suite and the final movement includes a great section in 7/4. When I started reading it, it was a bit confusing. However, I realized that there were measures inside the measures. It turns out, inside the first measure of 7/4 there was a measure of 3/4 and then 2 of 2/4. The smaller measures were bordered by thinner lines, and each group adding up to 7/4 was surrounded by a thicker bar line. How cool is that?

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