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ozzy_tom 
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 Posted: April 25 2006 at 14:45 |
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I prefer keyboardist ( especially organists) in progressive bands that's why it isn't easy to choose strictly prog guitarist for me. In fact I like a lot of hard rock guitarist. Anyway this is my list:
1. Ritchie Blackmore
2. Mick Box
3. Robert Fripp
4. Tony Iommi
5. Steve Howe
6. Jimmy Page
7. Vivian Campbell (from "Dio")
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nowayman121
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 09:37 |
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Progressive: Intelligent music for intelligent people.
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Joolz
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 08:58 |
 Peter Rideout wrote:
Silly, juvenile concept -- there are lots of great guitarists out there, all more or less in the same league re skill, etc. There is no "best" in art once the artist/guitarist attains a certain level, or even any objective way to ascertain "best."
By "best" you mean "favourite" (so why not say that?), and that's all a matter of taste.
These polls will only tell you who is more popular, at the moment, among those who saw fit to respond to the poll.
Again, why this constant obsession with turning art into a competion?  It's not a sport, math or science -- art lives mainly in the emotional, subjective realm. We can't "measure" it.  (I've only made this point about 1000 times here, though nothing changes, and tomorrow there'll no doubt be a new crop of the same old "best," "worst" and "overrated" polls.... 1000 times and still going. You don't seem to be a quick learner ...... if you don't like it, ignore it and let those who do like it have their fun in peace. But .....
Now, re my favourite of that lot, perhaps I should vote Hendrix (other, very accomplished guitarists used to be amazed by his playing, and he had a very recognizable sound), but I prefer Beck, and he has not votes yet, so Jeff Beck it is!  (I have only one Hendrix disc, but six JB discs.) ..... despite this being a "silly, juvenile concept" you still give your opinion!  |
Edited by Joolz - April 24 2006 at 08:59
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Dr. Evil
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 19:20 |
threefates wrote:
How can you have a best guitarist poll on a prog board and leave out David Gilmour... and then add in Steve Vai???
Not even worth voting... |
David Gilmour??????I thougt this was a best guitarplayer poll
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UnknownFlow
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 13:59 |
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Lifeson and Hackett: most underrated guitarists ever.
also the Hackett/Rutherford duo are worth mention too.
Also, Petrucci isnt bad either...lol.
Edited by UnknownFlow - April 23 2006 at 14:01
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Tenth Chaffinch
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Posted: April 22 2006 at 20:21 |
I chose other. In my opinion the best progressive rock guitarist has to be Andrew Latimer of Camel. Listen to his guitar work on albums like "Nude" "Rain Dances" or "I Can See Your House From Here". The leads in the song "Ice" are tear jerking. I also like Phil Miller (National Health), Fred Frith (Henry Cow), and of course Master Fripp.
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A Guy
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Posted: April 22 2006 at 13:28 |
Keith Emerson.
Just kidding. I don't know about 'best' but the following guitarists deserve a mention I think:
Frank Zappa (Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention/Solo albums)
Fred Frith (Henry Cow/Solo albums)
Ed Wynne (Ozric Tentacles)
Adrian Belew (King Crimson/Talking Heads/Zappa's band/Solo albums/Other stuff)
Martin Barre (Jethro Tull)
Omar Rodriguez-Lopez (The Mars Volta)
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DeepPhreeze
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Posted: April 22 2006 at 12:16 |
Serguilloche wrote:
Music has always been a competition, since the first time someone realised that they were better players than other people.
Since most of you will have heard of JS Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor, you will of course know that a Toccata is primarily a piece of music designed to show how skillful the composer/player of the piece is. The superfast violin piece in the 4th Brandenburg Concerto is specifically designed to make other composers/violinists feel inferior.
Paganini used to fray one of his strings so that it would break during performance so he could show-off playing on the remaining three. Obviously Malmsteen models himself on Paganini.
For me it's down to the composition, which is why I voted for those who I did. At the end of the day there is a limit to how physically dextrous a person can be, and if one person can do it, another can. The difference between human minds is greater than that of their bodies and here it becomes pretty subjective.
I'd still love to see Eric Clapton or Hendrix attempt Trilogy Suite, or Smoke and Mirrors, because I find them and their contemporaries highly overrated as players, their compositional abilities may be greater, but as I said before, that's subjective.
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If you're trying to tell me that classical guitarists are the best, then I can't agree more.
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Serguilloche
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Posted: April 22 2006 at 06:01 |
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Music has always been a competition, since the first time someone realised that they were better players than other people.
Since most of you will have heard of JS Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor, you will of course know that a Toccata is primarily a piece of music designed to show how skillful the composer/player of the piece is. The superfast violin piece in the 4th Brandenburg Concerto is specifically designed to make other composers/violinists feel inferior.
Paganini used to fray one of his strings so that it would break during performance so he could show-off playing on the remaining three. Obviously Malmsteen models himself on Paganini.
For me it's down to the composition, which is why I voted for those who I did. At the end of the day there is a limit to how physically dextrous a person can be, and if one person can do it, another can. The difference between human minds is greater than that of their bodies and here it becomes pretty subjective.
I'd still love to see Eric Clapton or Hendrix attempt Trilogy Suite, or Smoke and Mirrors, because I find them and their contemporaries highly overrated as players, their compositional abilities may be greater, but as I said before, that's subjective.
Edited by Serguilloche - April 22 2006 at 06:06
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: April 22 2006 at 05:15 |
RITCHIE BLACKMORE!!!!!!!!
For always yours, Mandrakeroot.
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wolf0621
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Posted: April 21 2006 at 15:29 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
Silly, juvenile concept -- there are lots of great guitarists out there, all more or less in the same league re skill, etc. There is no "best" in art once the artist/guitarist attains a certain level, or even any objective way to ascertain "best."
By "best" you mean "favourite" (so why not say that?), and that's all a matter of taste.
These polls will only tell you who is more popular, at the moment, among those who saw fit to respond to the poll.
Again, why this constant obsession with turning art into a competion? It's not a sport, math or science -- art lives mainly in the emotional, subjective realm. We can't "measure" it. (I've only made this point about 1000 times here, though nothing changes, and tomorrow there'll no doubt be a new crop of the same old "best," "worst" and "overrated" polls....
Now, re my favourite of that lot, perhaps I should vote Hendrix (other, very accomplished guitarists used to be amazed by his playing, and he had a very recognizable sound), but I prefer Beck, and he has not votes yet, so Jeff Beck it is! (I have only one Hendrix disc, but six JB discs.) |
Why rate performers against each other? Because we're human & that's what humans eventually do. We like to compare things to each other to determine the "best"...And art is not a competition? Every professional artist competes for sales in order to earn a living...Might as well ask why music is categorized into genres (oops, forgot for a sec that I was posting on a prog site)...So yes, this poll really is about who your favorites are, at least for the most part...And of course it's all subjective (but hopefully backed up by some fact & knowledge), that's what makes these types of forums fun...
As for myself, I listed Stanley Jordan as one of my non-prog choices although he's not one of my "favorite" players, but I know enough about his playing to recognize that there's a whole lot of skill & talent happening, and that his style & approach are somewhat unique. Same with Doc Watson...Hard to tell how many other respondents will take this route though, I suspect it'll be mostly a popularity contest...
Having said all that, I have no quarrel with Peter's choices...Jimi was (and is) so far ahead of his time musically that it's really almost painful to think about what he'd be into now had he survived. I suspect we'd be using a whole different definition of the term "progressive"...Re: other players being amazed by him:
"Just a week after Jimi landed in England, Cream were playing a show at the Polytechnic in central London. Chandler bumped into Clapton a few days before and told him he'd like to introduce Jimi sometime. Meeting Clapton, of course, was the one promise Chandler had made to Jimi before they left New York. Clapton mentioned the Polytechnic gig and suggested Chandler bring his protege. In all likelihood, Clapton meant he would be glad simply to meet Jimi, but Jimi nonetheless arrived with his guitar. Chandler, Jimi and their girlfriends stood in the audience during the first half of the show, and Chandler called up to the stage and summoned Clapton over to ask if Jimi might jam. The request was so preposterous that no one in Cream -- Clapton, Jack Bruce or Ginger Baker -- knew quite what to say: No one had ever asked to jam with them before; most would have been too intimidated by their reputation as the best band in Britain. Bruce finally said, "Sure, he can plug into my bass amp."
Jimi plugged his guitar into a spare channel and immediately began Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor." "I'd grown up around Eric, and I knew what a fan he was of Albert King, who had a slow version of that song," recalled press agent Tony Garland, who was at the show. "When Jimi started his take, though, it was about three times as fast as Albert King's version, and you could see Eric's jaw drop -- he didn't know what was going to come next." Remembering the show later, Clapton said, "I thought, 'My God, this is like Buddy Guy on acid.' "
When Bruce told his version of the fabled event, he focused on Clapton's reaction and alluded to graffiti in London that proclaimed, "Clapton is God." "It must have been difficult for Eric to handle," Bruce said, "because [Eric] was 'God,' and this unknown person comes along and burns." Jeff Beck was in the audience that night, and he, too, took warning from Jimi's performance. "Even if it was crap -- and it wasn't -- it got to the press," Beck later said. Jimi had been in London for eight days and he had already met God, and burned him" [From Rolling Stone's web site]
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Peter
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Posted: April 21 2006 at 14:12 |
Silly, juvenile concept -- there are lots of great guitarists out there, all more or less in the same league re skill, etc. There is no "best" in art once the artist/guitarist attains a certain level, or even any objective way to ascertain "best."
By "best" you mean "favourite" (so why not say that?), and that's all a matter of taste.
These polls will only tell you who is more popular, at the moment, among those who saw fit to respond to the poll.
Again, why this constant obsession with turning art into a competion? It's not a sport, math or science -- art lives mainly in the emotional, subjective realm. We can't "measure" it. (I've only made this point about 1000 times here, though nothing changes, and tomorrow there'll no doubt be a new crop of the same old "best," "worst" and "overrated" polls....
Now, re my favourite of that lot, perhaps I should vote Hendrix (other, very accomplished guitarists used to be amazed by his playing, and he had a very recognizable sound), but I prefer Beck, and he has not votes yet, so Jeff Beck it is! (I have only one Hendrix disc, but six JB discs.)
Edited by Peter Rideout - April 21 2006 at 14:15
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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DeepPhreeze
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Posted: April 21 2006 at 12:07 |
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Howe --- he won more awards for his playing than anybody on here, except for 'other'.
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ProgFan
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Posted: April 21 2006 at 11:05 |
In this poll I choose Steve Vai, but were is John Petrucci?
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Joolz
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Posted: April 21 2006 at 11:00 |
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Ha, a poll with most of the main men missing!
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wolf0621
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Posted: April 21 2006 at 10:53 |
raindance wrote:
It always baffles me why Fripp would be in any greatest guitarists poll! I don't like using the word 'overated' but in Fripp's case it defineatly applies! |
Agreed Raindance...He's a little too "technologically-oriented" for me, especially when I read about the multiple analog tape machines he set up for live shows that play various tape loops & the amount of time & effort spent getting it all set up. I think a big chunk of his reputation actually comes from this vs his actual playing technique/skill. He does know how to choose great accompanying guitarists & players though, but that alone doesn't make HIM a great guitarist in my book...
The other thing I don't care for is his general attitude towards other/great players. I realize that personality probably shouldn't factor in to rating his playing skill butI can't help it...I remember reading a couple of Guitar Player interviews with him where he was asked his opinion of other players, and I especially couldn't believe his Hendrix comments as someone who played guitar but wasn't a guitar player...If Jimi wasn't a guitarist then I guess I should sell all of my equipment because I obviously don't get it...
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raindance
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Posted: April 21 2006 at 10:39 |
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It always baffles me why Fripp would be in any greatest guitarists poll! I don't like using the word 'overated' but in Fripp's case it defineatly applies!
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wolf0621
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Posted: April 21 2006 at 09:52 |
Hemispheres wrote:
Joe Satriani is nothing special really steve vai is prog at times and yngwie malmsteen is just stupid |
Couldn't agree more, once saw a live Malmsteen concert tape where the big attraction presumably was the 10 minute clip of him stepping on his guitar & "playing it with his feet", what I primarily heard was a bunch of feedback. This guy also needs to take some lessons in what to NOT play to give the notes some space & context...A little feeling & soul wouldn't hurt either...
I don't consider Satriani or Vai to be "prog" players, but I'm not sure that the intent of this poll was to discuss the best prog guitarists vs the best guitarists in general. Either way, neither of them would make my short list:
Prog (& Fusion):
John McLaughlin
Steve Morse
Al DiMeola
Roine Stolt
Jeff Beck
Non-Prog:
Gary Moore
Richard Thompson
Jimi Hendrix
Paco DeLucia
Stanley Jordan
Doc Watson
Leo Kottke
Michael Hedges
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GPFR
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Posted: April 21 2006 at 09:27 |
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Hackett, anyone???
From this list, Fripp
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Serguilloche
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Posted: April 21 2006 at 04:57 |
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oliverstoned wrote:
There are much prog guitar heroes missig and i don't see what stariani and vai do here.
And who is ynwie malmsteen? |
Thing about this Prog forum
Too many stupid non prog mentions floating.
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Best guitarist in Prog - MJ Romeo Greatest guitarist in Prog - Alex Lifeson Romeo makes my jaw hit the ground, but when I first saw Big Al live I was in shock. I was thinking 'how can he be so perfectly precise?'. Criminally underrated, because he is a master in the art of understatement and he doesn't have a massive ego.
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