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Points: 2666 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2009 at 22:17
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It would be interesting where bands are controversial that a poll is run within the collab zone so ALL prog reviewers/collabs can vote before a genre team decides. That would exclude fanboy type double votes etc.
 
There are quite a few potentially prog punk type bands outthere so even a vote on this kind of genre would be a good exercise. And those lobbying for the like of Stranglers, Television, Talking heads etc may have a better case next time around. The Cardiacs are a band already here that could be placed into this genre apart from crossover. It could be a dangerous slope though.
 
But as an aside even an artist like Phil Collins may have a better chance of a P-R inclusion if the majority of senior prog reviewers/collabs stated their case for/against. Food for thought, perhaps it has been done already. But that would then look at all the merits of senior member's viewpoints
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:


And the Progressive Rock versus progressive rock debate rages on.... LOL


Ah yes.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

THE STRANGLERS are by no means classic prog, they are a progressive rock band and should be here.
 
 
They are a progressive rock band ??
 
Wow thats it then..its official.


Oh yeah, sorry, I'll add 'in my opinion' for the newbie who obviously hasn't been around the internetz long.

So it was your opinion that statement?

So The Stranglers aren't a Prog band?

Thank goodness for that. You had me worried there.


edit: no, that was naughty of me. I won't say that.

Friend, your mind works in interesting ways. We're a richer place for your input.


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I'm inclined to pretty much agree from what I've heard -- progressive (adjective) rock, yes, but not so much Prog (noun) in a more generic traditionalist/classic sense.  I'd like to see them here.

And the Progressive Rock versus progressive rock debate rages on.... LOL
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2009 at 16:55
Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

THE STRANGLERS are by no means classic prog, they are a progressive rock band and should be here.
 
 
They are a progressive rock band ??
 
Wow thats it then..its official.


Oh yeah, sorry, I'll add 'in my opinion' for the newbie who obviously hasn't been around the internetz long.

So it was your opinion that statement?

So The Stranglers aren't a Prog band?

Thank goodness for that. You had me worried there.


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Just to state that I'm happy that Jean's prepared to take her old status back. 

Big of her.

I hope she doesn't get it back though. Why should she?
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Again???
Allright, I come back tomorrow, I will check everyone's comments and will say something. Maybe.
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Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

THE STRANGLERS are by no means classic prog, they are a progressive rock band and should be here.
 
 
They are a progressive rock band ??
 
Wow thats it then..its official.


Oh yeah, sorry, I'll add 'in my opinion' for the newbie who obviously hasn't been around the internetz long.
 
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Just to state that I'm happy that Jean's prepared to take her old status back. 
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


you shold not worry; there are probaby lozs of bands in the prog punk genre out there. the problem is no-one will name them unless it is being announced that there will be such a genre.


The problem is no-one will announce a genre without a list of bands.  Wink

I'm sure some enterprising soul that feels strongly about progressive punk would oblige though.  Smile
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

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Zeuhl has a number of bands but - let's face it - without MAGMA there'd be no sub-genre. So I'm not convinced by your argument, Padraic. 


I don't understand the relevance.  Obviously Magma founded this style of music, but it spawned many excellent bands that could only be described as zeuhl.  As a matter of fact, there are about 35 bands in the zeuhl subgenre, which is why I claimed one would need to cite about 30 bands (could get away with 20 or 25 even) that could be described as "progressive punk" before a new subgenre could even begin to be seriously considered.  We can't spawn of new subgenres for a miniscule set of bands that fit a certain sounds.  Otherwise, we might as well scrap the whole subgenre thing anyway and just tag.

you shold not worry; there are probaby lozs of bands in the prog punk genre out there. the problem is no-one will name them unless it is being announced that there will be such a genre. as already mentioned, some bands which are already in the arfchives could move into that sub genre too. and I by no means know all the bands in the archives (my guess is 20-30% at best, if not even less). and there will certainly be many more hich alrfeady are in the archives. and then thinj about the thousands of bands which are not in tghe archive. no, number of bands in that genre is nothing to worry about at all


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^ Hmm. Fair enough. Food for thought, though. Zeuhl (I bow to your knowledge) was originally only applied to MAGMA, and other bands with similar sounds coalesced around it. I don't see why a similar process can't happen with Pronk. It may have, for all I know.
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Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

Zeuhl has a number of bands but - let's face it - without MAGMA there'd be no sub-genre. So I'm not convinced by your argument, Padraic. 


I don't understand the relevance.  Obviously Magma founded this style of music, but it spawned many excellent bands that could only be described as zeuhl.  As a matter of fact, there are about 35 bands in the zeuhl subgenre, which is why I claimed one would need to cite about 30 bands (could get away with 20 or 25 even) that could be described as "progressive punk" before a new subgenre could even begin to be seriously considered.  We can't spawn of new subgenres for a miniscule set of bands that fit a certain sounds.  Otherwise, we might as well scrap the whole subgenre thing anyway and just tag.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

THE STRANGLERS are by no means classic prog, they are a progressive rock band and should be here.
 
 
They are a progressive rock band ??
 
Wow thats it then..its official.


Oh yeah, sorry, I'll add 'in my opinion' for the newbie who obviously hasn't been around the internetz long.
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Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

THE STRANGLERS are by no means classic prog, they are a progressive rock band and should be here.
 
 
They are a progressive rock band ??
 
Wow thats it then..its official.
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the genre could by nature not be that big, just because the opposing ends of the spectrum appear to be totally disparate and irreconcilable on first thought. yet some artists, like The Stranglers, Inner City Unit, The Cardiacs  or Here And Now managed that balancing act
here a few examples of Inner City Unit, all from their album "Punkadelic":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7c4YrDP8kQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZN_GyMozC8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kTkhM_F1F4&feature=related

I think you can clearly hear why I consider the music to be prog punk



Edited by BaldJean - August 10 2009 at 17:26


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Zeuhl has a number of bands but - let's face it - without MAGMA there'd be no sub-genre. So I'm not convinced by your argument, Padraic. As for CARDIACS there's not a Rio/Avant bone in their body. They're a hybrid of prog and punk, everyone (except Tim Smith) knows that. I'd be a supporter for a Pronk sub-genre, and reiterate my view that while THE STRANGLERS are by no means classic prog, they are a progressive rock band and should be here.

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I am pretty sure more artists could be put into that genre, if, for example, we did the long overdue overhaul of the "Gong" entry in the acrhives, "New York Gong" would be another candidate for the genre. and what about "Here and Now"? there definitely is a heavy punk influence in that band too


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Create a genre for three bands?  I would think we need a bit higher threshold than that.

add Sleepytime Gorilla Museum to that genre too, then you have 4 bands already


LOL  OK, well, call me when you get to about 30.
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