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Ivan_Melgar_M 
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 Posted: September 01 2008 at 08:11 |
But again Whistler...Why move the band that defines Proto Prog from Proto Prog?
It's like moving Jethro Tull out of Folk Prog. We know they involve more than Folk in heir albums, that they crossed several genres, but they defined the term Prog Folk which was created fot them...so why moving them out?????
The same goes for Procol Harum.
Iván
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The Whistler
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Posted: September 01 2008 at 03:33 |
Wow Rico, it actually DID turn into a big ole debate. Fancy that. I'm still not entirely sure where to come down on all this; the various arguments seem pretty sound. I mean, to a certain extent, I think that they should be "equals." But Maybe Procol was getting less classically proggy after '69. Although, then and therefore, what should they be considered? Did they take up the Doors' mantle and become Gothic art blues or something?
Therefore, were a move to be suggested, I'd say Eclectic above Crossover; the Procol Harum that I know (and am currently listening to ("Simple Sister," Broken Barricades)), is less an art-pop fusion, and more an art-blues fusion.
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micky
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 22:53 |
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I must admit when i reviewed "Days Of Future Passed" the other day i was surprised The Moody Blues were in the Crossover genre.I thought they were proto-prog. With any band though their whole discography has to be considered not just a couple of albums right? A lot of bands could have some albums in one genre and some others in another. |
well... DoFP was only one, the first, of what is called the 'classic 7'. Had they stopped after the first.. sure.. they would have fit in proto.
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Hawkwise
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 22:39 |
personally I think Procol Harum fits best in proto-prog. maybe early moodies fits there to, but I can see the moodies in cross-over aswell. leave it as it is, is my opinion.
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 22:37 |
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I must admit when i reviewed "Days Of Future Passed" the other day i was surprised The Moody Blues were in the Crossover genre.I thought they were proto-prog. With any band though their whole discography has to be considered not just a couple of albums right? A lot of bands could have some albums in one genre and some others in another.
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micky
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 21:03 |
sh*t... my PM box must have been full....I'll get on brushing up on them this week.
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Dean
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 20:47 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 20:24 |
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Let's not be messin' w/ Procol. They're a total proto-prog band, and I mean no disrespect to them in saying that. Those first three albums absolutely paved the way for all that came after. Can't say the same for them Moodies, however. |
Exactly, whjat other band was rekleasing a song like A Whiter Shade of Pale that was incorpoirating clear Symphonic elements into their music with a Baroque organ solo?
They were ahead of most bands in those years and pioneered the Proto Prog genre, while the Moody Blues was still adding a Symphony Orchestra to a pop structure and Pink Floyd was doing pure Psyche.
If Proto Prog must be defined by one band, it is Procul Harum, the real link between Psyche and Prog.
Lets give Proto Prog the respect it deserves, it's not a Prog Related or a Prog Pop genre,. it's Progressive Rock in embryonary state, without PP God knows what would had come later..
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jammun
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 19:57 |
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Let's not be messin' w/ Procol. They're a total proto-prog band, and I mean no disrespect to them in saying that. Those first three albums absolutely paved the way for all that came after. Can't say the same for them Moodies, however.
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 11:22 |
true.. but that is why they give us the big hats and the corner offices with the big windows and the hot secretaries. That is what we do here 
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 11:19 |
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 11:16 |
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 11:14 |
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Ricochet
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 11:04 |
I confess I don't know Barclay James Harvest at all, so I can't comment on them being in Eclectic. 
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 10:59 |
[QUOTE=micky]^ very true... part of me says... what is the use moving groups around when they can fit in mulitple categories anyway. The ol' famous micky euthemism for pounding square pegs into round holes. After reading your always interesting posts here on PA, i think getting a book full of Micky euthemisms should be a valuable experience for the future generations to come..never thought of publishing one yet??  
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micky
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 10:52 |
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^ very true... part of me says... what is the use moving groups around when they can fit in mulitple categories anyway. The ol' famous micky euthemism for pounding square pegs into round holes.
then again... the other side of me thinks .. what is the true purpose of the categories. Not for archival sense .. that is not what this site is about.... but to be guides for general forum so it might facilitate their discoveries. So any chance to move a band out of PR.. or PP to categories that actually SAY something about their music is always welcome.
PH is a good example... but Deep Purple is the most glaring example of this. 4 or 5 Heavy Prog albums.. with their clones sitting in HP.. yet they are stuck incorrectly in Proto. Doesn't make much sense... but happy to start with PH.
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 10:36 |
The Whistler wrote:
Why The Moody Blues are crossover prog, and Procol Harum is proto? I mean, dude! They both came out at the same time with their big ole "landmark" records ('67, Days Of Future and Procol Harum respectively). And, dude, by the late seventies Procol was clearly doing the proggier thing (I mean, Octave is certainly leaning in a poppier direction, whereas Something Magic has a song that takes up a single side! Who else was doing that in 1977? Well...Yes or ELP probably, but still).
Personally, I think they should both just be "art rock" and that'll fix everything. But, hey, what do I know? Convince me otherwise, if'n you can. |
And to make the whole thing more insane ,you can see ..BARCLAY JAMES HARVEST is in eclectic prog???? they 're musically the cousins of the Moody Blues!
Eclectic, crossover, proto, what else?........just words!! let say they are prog ''light'' They could also be in the symphonic category as they all embraced at a time or another the use of classical orchestras and mellotron gallore.
Art rock fit them well as well.........so what's the truth?
None , just personal opinion.......just let me enjoy the music ! 
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 10:17 |
Easy Livin wrote:
Guigo and I both feel that Procol Harum are misplaced and should be in a prog category. It is though up to the genre teams to decide who is in and who is not.
I think the Moody Blues are in the right place, presumably you are use just citing them as evidence re PH. |
evidence I'm sure... what other place could there be for the Moodies. Xover was created FOR them. They didn't fit anywhere else.. so we had to create a sub for more pop orientated prog. We'll see about PH.. havne't listened to them in some time... I'll take this like a normal suggestion.. and put it to the AR team.. and we'll hash out a new sub.
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