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Certif1ed
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 14:52 |
Define Prog Metal. We have, on this site, the following http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=19;
Progressive Metal definition: This category represents the core movement of what is called “Progressive Metal” in the literal sense. Throughout the years many new styles of progressive metal emerged more or less independently of the original Progressive Metal bands. Separating these styles from the core movement helps to prevent the definition of Prog Metal from “watering down”.
But what is the definition?
Progressive Metal: The Early Years Progressive Metal emerged in the second half of the 1980s. The first bands were essentially attempting to combine influences from classic prog rock of the 1970s (bands include YES, GENESIS, KING CRIMSON) and the NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal – bands include DIAMOND HEAD, IRON MAIDEN, JUDAS PRIEST). Who actually did all of this?
Classic Progressive (Proto-)Power Metal These bands were staying close to a style which would eventually be evolve into "American Power Metal". This type of Power Metal is not to be confused with the European style which emerged with bands like HELLOWEEN a few years later and would lead to a second wave of Progressive (European) Power Metal bands in the late 1990s. But what's the actual difference in style?
Classic (Eclectic) Progressive Metal This style came to full bloom in the 1990s. The NWOBHM influence is still present in the music, but it's not the main ingredient anymore - in fact one of the trademarks of this style is that it draws from a broad range of influences which all seem equal in proportion. The resulting music is very diverse, making it difficult to describe or pin-point. But it's always melodic and often symphonic, and generally not too explicitly technical – although bands like DREAM THEATER are often accused of being too technical and virtuous there are many bands which take technicality to yet another level. So Dream Theater are Classic (Eclectic) Progressive Metal? Their early work contains music that is almost identical in structure to Metallica's - there's virtually no essential difference.
Progressive Metal: The 1990s In the 1990s American Power Metal continually lost its dominance over the core movement of Progressive Metal. Instead eclecticism and melodic/symphonic elements became the dominant attributes. DREAM THEATER quickly established themselves as the most popular band of the genre, which also led to them becoming a reference in terms of style. Every new Progressive Metal band was compared to them, similarly to neo prog bands being compared to MARILLION, or new Prog Rock bands of the 1990s being compared to SPOCK'S BEARD. This is the most helpful so far - it appears to state that Dream Theater are a kind of reference. See my above point on Metallica. I can't see why Metallica aren't Progressive Metal from this description.
Modern (Eclectic) Progressive Metal These bands and albums represent the “heart” of Progressive Metal. They managed to refine their music compared to the beginnings in the 1980s, yet they managed to stay true to the style they had defined with their early albums – at least at the beginning of the 1990s. Of course there were fluctuations – some bands are more technical, some are more symphonic, some albums are more experimental, some are spacey ... but they all maintain a balance between the influences, and that's why they're listed here. You'd have to know "these bands and albums" to understand this...
Modern Progressive Power Metal (American Style) In a way these bands revived the music which had sparked the Progressive Metal movement in the 1980s. In the meantime the musical environment had changed a lot, for example neo-classical elements had been made popular by one Yngwie J. Malmsteen. This was influential for most Progressive Metal bands which were rooted in Power Metal. The following bands can largely be attributed to American Power Metal, although some are borderline to the Eclectic/Mainstream Progressive Metal bands. Which following bands?
Modern Progressive Power Metal (European Style) These bands have even more neoclassical elements, the most extreme example being RHAPSODY who can be called “Classical Metal”, which doesn't qualify as being prog for many people. Nevertheless their music is quite demanding to play and contains many elements of serious classical composition and form, which is a strong indication of progressiveness. The following list of bands is quite diverse ... despite of them all being related to European Power Metal they really sound very, very different. I'll have to explore Rhapsody a bit, I can see. Edited by Certif1ed - August 19 2008 at 15:01 |
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MovingPictures07
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Beasty Heart Status: Offline Points: 32181 |
Posted: August 19 2008 at 14:47 |
I agree entirely there. (With an emphasis on the WERE in progressive however ) |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 14:40 |
^ I don't think they were ever a Prog Metal band. They were quite progressive though.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 14:37 |
No - they were a Progressive Metal band that used Thrash as a core innovative technique.
This has almost nothing to do with Progressive Rock and almost everything to do with Progressive Metal - the two are dissimilar genres in many ways.
They were never just a thrash band, so I have not voted.
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Alberto Muñoz
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
Posted: August 19 2008 at 12:05 |
Mike, later i will send a PM to you.
For an opinion.
Cheers
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 12:02 |
No - they're a Thrash band.
Or at least they used to be, until the 90s. |
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Alberto Muñoz
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
Posted: August 19 2008 at 12:00 |
Well my friends i need to set this up, Metallica is a Progressive rock band??
Let me know
Cheers! Edited by zafreth - August 19 2008 at 12:01 |
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