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darksideof
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 01:02 |
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King Crimson776
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Posted: June 15 2008 at 00:23 |
No, Metallica is sic. \m/
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darkshade
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Posted: June 14 2008 at 15:08 |
DT need to get more into jazz
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codibick
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Posted: June 14 2008 at 15:06 |
YES. YES REALLY!
i mean, Metallica is a F*CKING great band, but hey let's not get ourselves too cocky. there are a lot of other influences that they could indeed use in their songs.
OR BETTER, THEY COULD DO A SOUND THAT'S UNIQUE? HOW ABOUT THAT?
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chemo
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Posted: June 05 2008 at 07:35 |
BroSpence wrote:
chemo wrote:
I'd hardly say they're that Metallica influenced, their metal influence comes from many different places. Hell, Portnoy listens to quite a lot of metal. Hell, Constant Motion reminds me of Anthrax A LOT as just one example.
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Yet, they covered the entire Master of Puppets album, live on many occasions.
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Yes, they like Metallica, and they are an influence. But just because they covered an album of theirs doesn't mean that they are always trying to be Metallica whenever they do heavy stuff. Musically they don't have that many similarities with the band, other than that they're both metal... My wording was a little poor. Yes, the band is influenced by Metallica, but that's not their only metal influence.
Edited by chemo - June 05 2008 at 07:36
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BroSpence
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Posted: June 05 2008 at 01:20 |
chemo wrote:
I'd hardly say they're that Metallica influenced, their metal influence comes from many different places. Hell, Portnoy listens to quite a lot of metal. Hell, Constant Motion reminds me of Anthrax A LOT as just one example.
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Yet, they covered the entire Master of Puppets album, live on many occasions.
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: June 04 2008 at 15:22 |
Says the man with himself hanging out with Dream Theater in his sig...
And I agree with all those points. I really have no problems with Train Of Thought as far as influences go, but for
some reason that album just came off as very samey to me. I jus' like a little more variety. Although I haven't
listened to much Metallica, so maybe I just don't know when they are trying to be Metallica.
(awesome picture by the way! So jealous...)
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The T
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Posted: June 04 2008 at 15:10 |
Good posts. I would've expected much more cannibalism in this thread. Of course I side with those that said that they like DT just the way they are. But to touch the subject, as "Train of thought" is my least favorite DT album, maybe I prefer them when they are a little bit more Metalicca-free. Metalica was great when it was, well, Metallica. DT has some great songs where they use Metallica influences (the riff in Metropolis), but when they have tried to emulate their sound much closer, thise are some of the very few moments when I don't think they're the greatest ever.
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Norbert
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Posted: June 04 2008 at 13:53 |
I really like The Glass Prison and rather dislike the albumTrain of Thought, so it depends.
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Raff
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Posted: June 04 2008 at 13:46 |
Rocktopus wrote:
I would have liked them much more if they sounded exactly like (80's) Metallica.
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My thoughts exactly  . Master of Puppets is one of my all-time favourite albums, and Ride the Lighting is not far behind. The only time I sort of like LaBrie's voice is when he sounds like James Hetfield.. Go figure.
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Luke. J
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Posted: June 04 2008 at 13:25 |
While I am not enthusiastic about Dream Theater, I think they have some fantastic albums. Since I came to prog from the metal-side, I SHALL like metal influences.. but more Metallica would for my opinion ruin Dream Theater. I have some doubt that they could ever reach the "Train of Thought"-Level with it. More Metallica would also mean less keyboards..
Conclusion: No, not more Metallica-influences. If I want progressive metal with tendencies to thrash metal, I go with Symphony X's "Paradise Lost".
Less? Maybe a bit.. but I won't vote "YES".. they are good the way they are..
Edited by Luke. J - June 04 2008 at 13:27
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Statutory-Mike
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Posted: June 04 2008 at 11:54 |
I do like earlier DT better but at the same time, I couldn't like DT anymore than I do already. So I vote no, the music is PERFECT for me.
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xenuwantsyou
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Posted: June 04 2008 at 11:43 |
Yeah, the power ballads can be unlistenable.
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chemo
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Posted: June 04 2008 at 11:10 |
I'd hardly say they're that Metallica influenced, their metal influence comes from many different places. Hell, Portnoy listens to quite a lot of metal. Hell, Constant Motion reminds me of Anthrax A LOT as just one example.
I feel that their heavy side has been extremely underrated because everyone first says "Train Of Thought" is the one to hear for heaviness. Where it's really just full of horrid chug riffs. It is the heaviest, but it is nowhere near the best example of their metal side. Hell, Glass Prison is 14 minutes of the metal side and it's one of the best things I've ever heard. That song there proves that they can do the heavier stuff as well as anyone. Just because they occasionally go about it the wrong way (quite often in the last few years) doesn't really mean that this particular aspect of their sound is a weakness.
Also, if they weren't Metallica-ing it up, they'ed probably just write heaps more power ballads, which could not be a good thing.
Edited by chemo - June 04 2008 at 11:11
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Cesar Inca
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Posted: June 04 2008 at 11:03 |
All things considered, the Metallica and Iron Maiden influences will be inevitable. What Dream Theater can do is feed their heavy rock side with other rocking influences: from instance, Gordian Knot, At War with Self - that would be a very important source of influence for future compositions and arrangements.
Also, given Rudess's taste for atmospheric trends of rock such as post-rock and space-rock, they might give him more room to develop these influences into DT future songs. The way that Rudess incorporated the continuum and the pedal steel guitar into the DT arsenal was so awesome that I would really suggest the band (were I their manager) to bring more sounds, melodies and ideas to the band.
Kind regards.
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sleeper
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Posted: June 04 2008 at 10:44 |
stonebeard wrote:
This implies that there's something wrong with Dream Theater.
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Agreed, there's nothing wrong with them as they are.
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Relayer09
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Posted: June 04 2008 at 08:52 |
Dream Theater are fine the way they are.
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If you lose your temper, you've lost the arguement. -Proverb
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Darklord55
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Posted: June 04 2008 at 08:01 |
King By-Tor wrote:
I think I'm the minority here but....
I just like them anyways . No vote, I don't really care what they do. Although I was a bit let down by Train of Though which is the album that people say is hit by Metallica the most. I'm sure many will disagree with my notion though.
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I agree. Except Train of Thought was not a let down for me. Cheers!!
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Rocktopus
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Posted: June 04 2008 at 07:05 |
I would have liked them much more if they sounded exactly like (80's) Metallica.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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ProgBagel
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Posted: June 04 2008 at 07:00 |
I am content with them.
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