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CCVP 
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 Posted: June 04 2008 at 13:41 |
 Henry Plainview wrote:
Not really. But does your whole argument rely on how strongly you parse the difference between "hate" and "strongly dislike"? Because I don't think he meant that people genuinely want to slowly torture LaBrie to death by cutting him with snapped DT CDs.
But even if they did truly hate the music, which is OK, or want to murder LaBrie, which is less OK but you can't have everything, what does "prejudice" have to do with any of it? |
you know, i may not understand how you measure the weight of your words, but hate is a word pretty strong to me. . . "Strongly dislike" is to not like, but also not having any kind of negative feeling towards it. "Hate" is to not like and ALSO having negative feelings towards it. For example: i don't like Tool, but i hate Panic at the Disco.
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Demonoid
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Posted: June 04 2008 at 12:45 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
Not really. But does your whole argument rely on how strongly you parse the difference between "hate" and "strongly dislike"? Because I don't think he meant that people genuinely want to slowly torture LaBrie to death by cutting him with snapped DT CDs.
But even if they did truly hate the music, which is OK, or want to murder LaBrie, which is less OK but you can't have everything, what does "prejudice" have to do with any of it? |
Well then, tell me the point of throwing random comments like what you said "want to murder LaBrie" or "*Insert band name here* are worthless sh*t without any skill" I don't like quite a few indie/rap artist, but i just stay away from it...instead of bashing them. The bashing part only comes, if the band members really are fags/attention whores.(which DT/Symphony X surely aren't). And what do you mean by 'Less OK'?!
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ozzy_tom
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Posted: June 04 2008 at 10:13 |
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I constently discover new bands...but usually new for me. In general I only listen to 70' prog and 70' inspired ones. New prog is too boring for me, or doesn't sounds like prog (for example Prog-Metal).
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Josh_M
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Posted: June 04 2008 at 00:29 |
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Mostly old and new. A lot of psychedelia/prog rock from the 60s and 70s like: The Doors, Uriel, Jethro Tull, The Moody Blues, Grateful Dead, and Comus. I also listen to a lot of new progressive music like: Opeth, Porcupine Tree, Anekdoten, Symphony X, and Tool.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: June 03 2008 at 23:15 |
Not really. But does your whole argument rely on how strongly you parse the difference between "hate" and "strongly dislike"? Because I don't think he meant that people genuinely want to slowly torture LaBrie to death by cutting him with snapped DT CDs.
But even if they did truly hate the music, which is OK, or want to murder LaBrie, which is less OK but you can't have everything, what does "prejudice" have to do with any of it?
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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CCVP
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Posted: June 03 2008 at 21:44 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
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Or they genuinely don't find it interesting? Why are you assuming they are acting in bad faith? A persecution complex doesn't help your "cause". |
Because "don't like" is one thing and "hate" is another. The guy said that
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AND to have hate you must have some prejudice concerning the buisness.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: June 03 2008 at 21:19 |
CCVP wrote:
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Or they genuinely don't find it interesting? Why are you assuming they are acting in bad faith? A persecution complex doesn't help your "cause".
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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bernsteinp
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Posted: June 03 2008 at 18:10 |
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I'm definitely an "old school" prog listener. my favourite prog band is the 1973-4 lineup of king crimson, followed by (in a tie) the "Edge" lineup of Yes (i consider eddie offord a former member of yes, by the way0, and Emerson Lake & Palmer (discounting love beach
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song_of_copper
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 18:41 |
I can't help myself with 1970s music, especially if it's kinda eccentric. Don't even remember the 70s, but I can't escape from that particular musical decade! 
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One-Eyed Joker
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 13:14 |
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Im about 70% classic prog, and maybe 30% modern prog
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CCVP
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 11:46 |
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Demonoid
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 08:44 |
Well, prog. related- i just love all types of prog! No bias towards prog. rock or metal...like both equally. Also, why is it that some prog. heads hate dream theater and symphony X (and quite a few prog. metal bands in general) I find prog. metal to be as enjoyable as prog. rock.
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debrewguy
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Posted: June 01 2008 at 22:26 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
CCVP wrote:
I wonder what is this site main user: the progressive or the conservative prog listener? If you guys keep discovering new bands, keep trying to find new things or if you listen only the same old bands.
It's true that SOME 70's bands like Genesis (Gabriel era) and Kansas will always have a special place in my discography among others, as part of the Symphonic Team we have added more than 100 modern bands to the genre.
But that's not all, as a fact I'm impressed with the new tendencies of Symphonic Prog, specially those comming from Eastern Europe and Unoited States. The first one is clearly blending cultural and musical elñements of their own ethnicity, creating a esplendid fusion of Orchestal Symphonic with Romanian, Yougosalvian, Russia, etc Folk elements which make a new fresh and richer sound.
On the other hand other schools as the North American is adding Avant and experimental elements that make the sub-genre much more challenging and elaborate.
So there's place for classical and modern Prog in my dicography.
DB - Ivan, props for your support of much of prog, mainstream"ish" or not. Also an extra "s" for discography. Not forgetting that S can stand for Styx, eh.
Another thing in this question is: do you guys listen more old school prog (70's prog and prog made today that sounds like 70's prog, such as Glass Hammer) or modern prog bands (neo prog, prog metal, new wave of symphonic, etc).
Glass Hammer are good, I can't deny that, but not my favorites, I'm going more with the most adveturous bands like Deluge Grander, now with this Avant group named Factor Burzaco which has caused a great impression in those who have listened t
Even though I listen a lot of Neo Prog, I don't consider it a modern genre (IMHO opinion modern Prog is born in the 90's with the Symphonic Renaissance in Scandinavia and the boom of Prog Metal), as a fact Neo is probably the sub-genre that has evolved less in comparisson with others, maybe due to the fact that thepeak has been limited to a short period bewteen 1980 and 1987, but again bands as Pendragon, IQ or Fish's Marillion will always have a place in my CD player.
It's not a secret that Prog Metal is not my cup of tea, but still some bands like PoS are interesting, while the New direction of Symphonic is my main interest in this moment.
DB - You've probably expressed the clearest dichotomy that might exist in the Neo-Prog genre. And once more, your open-mindedness to bands in sub-genres you don't usually listen to. An example for many here at PA 
In my case things are pretty balanced: i listen old school prog and modern prog almost 50/50. Now what about you  ?
Honestly, except Gabriel Genesis, Kansas, a bit of Pink Floyd, Triumvirat and Renaissance, I don't find myself listening too much 70's Prog, there are so many bands that deserve to be listened, that if I had stayed in the 70's, would be missing a lot of great music, like Hyacintus, Tanger, Karda Estra, Trespass (Isreael), Sympzion, Factor Burzaco, Yesterdays, etc. But this doesn't mean I will forget the pioneers who made all this possible.
Iván
DB - For a brief, and not too obscure 70s recommendation list - Grobschnitt's Rockpommel's Land, Klaatu's Hope, Los Jaivos maybe. i was going to mention Univers Zero, but they just put out 2 albums in late 70s.
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DB - Good post, Ivan. Balanced, varied, and interesting recommendations. My budget laments the upcoming challenges in obtaining a few of them.
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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The T
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Posted: June 01 2008 at 20:17 |
CCVP wrote:
God Damn it T! Cant f*cking believe that you have the DT biography with their autographs! |
When they send it to me, I'll post my pic with them... such a wonderful concert and meeting them even better... Now, back to the thread... 
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: June 01 2008 at 19:54 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
CCVP wrote:
I wonder what is this site main user: the progressive or the conservative prog listener? If you guys keep discovering new bands, keep trying to find new things or if you listen only the same old bands.
Another thing in this question is: do you guys listen more old school prog (70's prog and prog made today that sounds like 70's prog, such as Glass Hammer) or modern prog bands (neo prog, prog metal, new wave of symphonic, etc).
In my case things are pretty balanced: i listen old school prog and modern prog almost 50/50. Now what about you ?
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Must admit I am guilty of ignoring the newer genres on PA like prog/post/math/tech metal etc which means I'm probably missing out on a lot a really good new music. However I have forced myself to listen to some Dream Theatre and Tool and can honestly say that the former sound as though they were conceived while their parents were fully clothed and the latter couldn't have picked a more apt name. It stands to reason that not all the new stuff sounds like those two does it ? (I need convincing otherwise)
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How much of classic prog sounds like Yes and Genesis?
I'm sure the recommendations forum will be able to provide you with a lot of suggestion if you ask or search through the old threads.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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CCVP
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Posted: June 01 2008 at 19:32 |
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God Damn it T! Cant f*cking believe that you have the DT biography with their autographs!
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The T
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Posted: June 01 2008 at 19:29 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
CCVP wrote:
I wonder what is this site main user: the progressive or the conservative prog listener? If you guys keep discovering new bands, keep trying to find new things or if you listen only the same old bands.
Another thing in this question is: do you guys listen more old school prog (70's prog and prog made today that sounds like 70's prog, such as Glass Hammer) or modern prog bands (neo prog, prog metal, new wave of symphonic, etc).
In my case things are pretty balanced: i listen old school prog and modern prog almost 50/50. Now what about you ?
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Must admit I am guilty of ignoring the newer genres on PA like prog/post/math/tech metal etc which means I'm probably missing out on a lot a really good new music. However I have forced myself to listen to some Dream Theatre and Tool and can honestly say that the former sound as though they were conceived while their parents were fully clothed and the latter couldn't have picked a more apt name. It stands to reason that not all the new stuff sounds like those two does it ? (I need convincing otherwise)
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No, not all new stuff sound like those two great bands. Not at all. but for the convincing, look elsewhere. or better yet, read some bios and reviews , and go buy some albums or download some legal music... we really aren't here to convince you that not everybody was conceived by fully-clothed parents or that not everybody should be sold at The Home Depot.
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Publius84
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Posted: June 01 2008 at 18:12 |
I think, I'm rather a progressive one. I'm on my great jurney through the music still seeking for the Holy Grails of progressive, but not only, rock. Most of the music I listen to is the classic '70 prog rock, but I also love some new stuff like Anekdoten of Riverside.
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I know what I like and I like what I know...
Prog is in my heart, in my mind, in my soul...
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CCVP
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Posted: June 01 2008 at 14:45 |
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gotta agree with you laplace, Tool is just not such a big deal
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laplace
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Posted: June 01 2008 at 11:40 |
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