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*frinspar* 
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 Posted: June 14 2008 at 23:03 |
My playlist today has included: Beardfish Black Flag Slayer Brian Eno Depeche Mode Carcass Nektar Echolyn David Byrne A crop of 1980's new wave hits The Dead Milkmen The Cheerful Insanity of Giles, Giles & Fripp Gentle Giant Bob James Loverboy ....  You get the picture. It's never been all about prog for me. It's just one more fruit in the bowl to pick from. And arrogance runs rampant across the board in music. If you're talking to a singer or a guitar player from any band in any genre, chances are you're talking to an arrogant jerk  
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codibick
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Posted: June 14 2008 at 18:21 |
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oh well, are we talking about arrogance?
then let's talk about Mr. Malmsteen.
he's and arrogant prick, IMO
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WinterLight
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Posted: June 09 2008 at 03:58 |
 fil karada wrote:
Sure one of the reasons that makes me like Prog music is the technique and virtuosity of its players, but sometimes dont you get bored? After hearing only Prog music for months dont you feel the necessaty of "exchange" to something more soft music and intelectualy ? Considering all this dont you think that the strongest reason for people to dislike Prog music (apart from the obvious reason that the complexity of Prog music is a barrier to most pop fans) is the arrogance of some bands (of course most of the Prog music bands aren't arrogants IMO but i think most pop fans dont know it) and their pomposity? Think about it |
The rich diversity of prog prevents me from becoming bored with it. The creativity that drives its intricate compositions conjures only my amazement and appreciation. I can't speak intelligently on how others perceive prog, but I will emphasize that excellence hardly implies arrogance. In fact, serious musicians are, by definition, virtuosos. Should we ask those who have worked so hard to attain such skill to conceal their particular excellence with the fig leaf of mediocrity?
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tszirmay
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Posted: June 05 2008 at 01:30 |
DJPuffyLemon wrote:
spookytooth wrote:
You can't dance to most prog music
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I disagree, you can dance to ANY music! as proven by my gf. she even danced to acid mothers temple, though it was a bit of a stretch......I think the only thing you can't dance to is Metal Machine Music, unless you do some sort of weird robot dance but that wouldn't be so much dancing to it as just using it as inspiration to dance mechanically, so it doens't count! |
Dance? 18,000 Yes fans swaying seriously to Roundabout in 1975 . Recent P Tree show had numerous very attractive leggy ladies shaking their booties to Wilson's cranky leads and Harrison's booming beats. I saw these with my own eyes! (Boy did I ever!)  You Can Dance if you want to, anywhere, anytime , no one is judging you as Simon, Paula and Randy are busy with other idols 
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Demonoid
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Posted: June 05 2008 at 01:21 |
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1.I don't listen to prog. alone, but it would be like 65% prog, 35% others.
The sheer diversity that exists within prog itself keeps me going. So ya, i rarely get bored of it or infact, never get bored of it.
2.Arrogance?! Please elaborate.
3.I really don't care whether prog. appeals to mainstream or not. If ppl like it, good for them. If they don't, not my problem.
Music doesn't need to appeal to everyone in order to be good. 99% of extreme metal is also underground. Many consider it as sh*t, but i think its really good. Same goes for prog. I think Pink Floyd are the closest you'll get to mainstream.
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Statutory-Mike
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Posted: June 04 2008 at 18:17 |
There are so many different sub genres to prog you could never get bored of it  . I could very well listen to just prog but I do like a variety of music:
-Shred
-Jazz
-Classic Rock
-Most of the different genres of metal
-Blues
-Techno
-Classical
You mix all those together and add even more ideas and genres of music, and you're back to prog!
It's like the ultimate melting pot of music
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debrewguy
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Posted: June 03 2008 at 11:22 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Why arrogant?
Because they try to break boundaries?
Because of their virtuosism?
Because they don't limit themselves to mainstream?
Or maybe it's called arrogant by people who don't bother to understand it.
I like a lot of music from different genres, but I consider the behaviour of many mainstream artists who feel they are gods much more arrogant than the average Proghead, just look what are the requirements of Michael Jackson, Madonna or any rapper to visit a country and compare them with any Prog musician.
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Kind of reminds you of Yes in their heyday, eh. The reality is that the bigger the commercial success, the bigger the entourage and "care-takers". And human nature being what it is, it often, but not always, leads to self-delusion on a level more easily attainable than the rest of us.
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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pook
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 20:26 |
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Astute! We must remember though that arrogance exists in all forms of music, as does virtuosity! Often when someone is good at something they feel the need to shamelessly lord it over other people, regardless of what they do. But there are those who have both great facility on their instrument and can have a conversation with "normal" folks as well. Perhaps we can hear that in the music they create? Hopefully....
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Dominic
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Posted: May 31 2008 at 19:06 |
fil karada wrote:
After hearing only Prog music for months dont you feel the necessaty of "exchange" to something more soft music and intelectualy ? |
Eh, i think prog. is about as Intellectual as you can get in terms of rock music. I don't listen to rock music exclusively so i can't say that i never get "bored of prog", but what bores me way more are pop rock jingles that revolve around vocals. I tend to get bored by music i can break down really easy. (i'm not intending that i dislike such music) Not everyone is naturally inclined to liking dance music or music that revolves chiefly around vocals, therefore i could understand how some people could never get bored of prog.
Edited by Dominic - May 31 2008 at 19:07
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The Quiet One
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Posted: May 31 2008 at 14:06 |
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Myself, a teenager or at least almost, I can't see my way dancing with prog, but that's not something I would take a star or something from the prog genre. Although with prog I can Air any instrument I want, and that's hell of fun as dancing, IMO.
If I wanna dance I usually pick some disco(not an entire album) like Le Freak, Get Down Tonight, or pick some new wave or pop like Inxs, or Simply Red, with this music I dance like the Devil(huh?)
Pittily in my country, we have some of the WORST music to dance. It's called cumbia and reaggeton, don't be confused by reggae, it's meanless lyrics, the rythms are all the same, and the voice are horrible. The lyrics are all about sex, can you believe it? All my friends love it!!??
I can't dance that. My friends can, and they don't realise that they can't change rythm cause all the songs are the same!!
I do enjoy DANCING pop music on parties, also electronic music, I don't like it, but it's kinda cool to dance that, at least it has some rythm.
Well, I'm glad we don't have Rap on my country, cause I know in North America they dance with that, no offense, please.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: May 31 2008 at 13:53 |
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I listen varied music. It's quite obvious that you're not only going to listen one genre, beyond being so wide.
I tend to play sometimes to relax or at least calm(isn't it the same?) Crosby Stills & Nash, The Beatles, The Who(60's), The Animals, some jazz fusion, Dire Straits.
Also listen some pop, new wave to have some fun, like Inxs or Simply Red.
Also Alt Rock to rock, although I mainly prefer 70's rock bands, or play heavy prog, but sometimes I do grab my Pearl Jam collection or Audioslave's.
Also love some blues rock or funk rock like Whitesnake(70's era), Free, Trapeze, etc.
My fave genre together with prog is hard rock. Then would come blues rock, I suppose or rock & roll ala Who or Beatles and then well jazz fusion, pop, alt rock, etc.
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DJPuffyLemon
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Posted: May 31 2008 at 13:48 |
spookytooth wrote:
You can't dance to most prog music
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I disagree, you can dance to ANY music! as proven by my gf. she even danced to acid mothers temple, though it was a bit of a stretch......I think the only thing you can't dance to is Metal Machine Music, unless you do some sort of weird robot dance but that wouldn't be so much dancing to it as just using it as inspiration to dance mechanically, so it doens't count!
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chemo
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Posted: May 31 2008 at 11:44 |
I wouldn't say that long track lengths drive regular people away from prog, when I first heard my first 10 minute + song I was thrilled, didn't take any effort for me whatsoever to get into. If made me feel damn proud for some reason, I just figure most people would like the feeling of having some lengthy songs like I did.
But then again, I might be a little different since I'm currently listening to an album that's just under 2 and a half hours long and consists of four songs.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 31 2008 at 05:28 |
grahawk wrote:
I listen to prog rock for great songs and great tunes. I also find a lot of prog rock boring so I'm very selective. I'll happy listen to first part(s) of Shine on You Crazy Diamond but have no desire to listen to the second part(s) ever again. |
It's your loss! 
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: May 31 2008 at 01:11 |
debrewguy wrote:
I'm rather surprised that someone would actually know, or take the time to figure out the % that different genres take up in one's listening time. |
They don't, last.fm does it for them.
I don't only listen to prog, but no, I don't get tired of it, at least in the sense of listening to "challenging" music. Beyond that, I'm really not sure what the OP is trying to say.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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The Acolyte
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Posted: May 31 2008 at 00:42 |
stonebeard wrote:
The music I listen to:
65% classified as prog
15% kinda weird pop/rock (Roxy Music, Flaming Lips, etc)
10% regular classic rock or modern rock (Led Zeppelin, RHCP, Incubus, Smashing Pumpkins
10% Misc electronica (Aphex Twin, Massive Attack, etc)
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I don't see "arrogance" as a good term in prog, terms like that don´t help that much you know...and it´s easy, you don´t have to listen to prog always mate!
The music i listen to:
70% classified as prog
20% alternative rock, new wave, brit pop and the likes (The Cure, The Smiths, Morrissey, James, The Jesus and Mary Chain, etc)
10% others (Spanish Rock, Classical, Folk)
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debrewguy
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Posted: May 31 2008 at 00:15 |
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I'm rather surprised that someone would actually know, or take the time to figure out the % that different genres take up in one's listening time. I just listen to what I want to hear next. Enjoyment comes from hearing what you want, not by "figuring" what the mix should be.
Supersuckers - La Mano De Cornuda, Flower Kings, Paradox Hotel, Johnny Cash, AC/DC Let there Be Rock, Krokus - The Blitz, Alice Cooper School's Out, Night SUn - Mournin'. Who cares ? Once I'm done with one, I'm going what's next ?
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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fil karada
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Posted: May 30 2008 at 08:36 |
tuxon wrote:
Anyone who thinks prog music is better than Madonna, Prince or Michael Jackson is by definition wrong, but stil I like prog better than anything else, just a matter of taste. |
Usually what I stand for is: music is a matter of taste but there are some bands or artists that in terms of technique/lyrics are closer to being the best band in the world (there is no best band in the world just like 20 bands/artists that are very tied) than others and (and i dont want to say IMO now because it would screw my arguments) I consider those bands/artists the Prog ones.
So basically ,you may find me arrogant (lol ), but I think that in the end music is just a matter of taste but there are people that have more the right to call their favorite band the best in the world than others
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fil karada
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Posted: May 30 2008 at 08:29 |
The Wizard wrote:
That's not a problem then. I felt the same way, almost everything I listened to was either prog or prog-related. Somehow that changed. It's seems so weird to me now, how I went from hating anything related to hip-hop but now find myself calling Public Enemy one of my favorites.
I noticed that the more I open my mind up to other music the less I listen to listen to prog. |
Its like you've made the reverse process than most of us lol
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grahawk
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Posted: May 30 2008 at 03:08 |
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I listen to prog rock for great songs and great tunes. I also find a lot of prog rock boring so I'm very selective. I'll happy listen to first part(s) of Shine on You Crazy Diamond but have no desire to listen to the second part(s) ever again. I also mainly listen to non prog. I started on prog in the mid/late 70's but widening my musical horizon has always been an aim but I've never let go of most of the music I liked then then, except perhaps Rush and Steve Hillage.
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