what about joe satriani?

bluesynight wrote: Angelo wrote: On more serious note: if shredding is defined as being able to play up and down a scale, or play an arpeggio, at high speed, as you quote from wikipedia. actually its more than that, read all of it. we running in circles because you cant answer simple questions... vai is here for being a modern composer, and malsteen is not here? i all ready sew that there are some fans of vai on the "site team", and i all so sew that there is hate toward malsteen, and in my opinion its the only reason for vai is here and malsteen not. petrucci is in the TECH? ouuu pls, its a cheap shoot to add him(as a solo performer)he have no tech elements, his album was a pure shred, HIS ON THE G3 WITH SATCH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! if he tech, then satch should be tech! if you take away the shread form Al Di Meola, he would be just jazz and not fusion, same goes for 99% of the fusion, and same goes for DT, shred is a big element in prog. ps i all ready moved to other to arguments.

Angelo wrote: On more serious note: if shredding is defined as being able to play up and down a scale, or play an arpeggio, at high speed, as you quote from wikipedia.

actually its more than that, read all of it.

we running in circles because you cant answer simple questions...
vai is here for being a modern composer, and malsteen is not here?
i all ready sew that there are some fans of vai on the "site team", and i all so sew that there is hate toward malsteen, and in my opinion its the only reason for vai is here and malsteen not. petrucci is in the TECH? ouuu pls, its a cheap shoot to add him(as a solo performer)he have no tech elements, his album was a pure shred, HIS ON THE G3 WITH SATCH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!
if he tech, then satch should be tech!

if you take away the shread form Al Di Meola, he would be just jazz and not fusion, same goes for 99% of the fusion, and same goes for DT, shred is a big element in prog.

ps
i all ready moved to other to arguments.

bluesynight wrote: ps Ratingfreak.com.. great site, but god you need to do something with the design(its just a suggestion, im not judging your site, lets not torn this into " i find you, and hunt you with a chainsaw" thing. ).

you're only entitled to bash my website if you also submit some ratings and tags.

shred on guitar is a little different, but any way...
of course Al Di Meola is fusion, but the question is why his a fusion? in my opinion its mostly because of the shred. and in my opinion DT are here only for they shred to, you know... all the insane instrumental parts, and all the great solos, its all shred. right now i watching the "DT live in budokan - Instrumedly" its all most 12 min of  shred, some ing  insane plying, but mostly shred, especially the Rudess and the LTE parts.

ps
Ratingfreak.com.. great site, but god you need to do something with the design(its just a suggestion, im not judging your site, lets not torn this into " i find you, and hunt you with a chainsaw" thing. ).
 

MikeEnRegalia wrote: ] I despise people who call musicians "w**kers" ... sorry, those guys don't belong on a discussion board like this one.

i totally agree.

but you loosing the point, the point is that shred is a big part of, al di meola is a really good example, his a jazz player that uses shread, acctualy his the first jazz player that used shred, and thats the only thing that make him prog, jazz got nothing to do with prog, but if you all so say that shred got nothing to do with prog, then he shouldn't be here.

hey MIKE, its says prog metal specialist near your name, can you pls tell me why DT  are here, seriously im more of a fusion fan...petrucci is a shredder, same goes for myung, i cant call rudess a shredder because his a keyboard player, but he works mostly on speed and technic.

I despise people who call musicians "w**kers" ... sorry, those guys don't belong on a discussion board like this one.

for me the definition of "shredder" is someone who does it all the time.

do you know what a shred is? satch define shred!

wikipedia(shred guitar) The most basic form of shred guitar are based on a two- or three-octave scale or mode, played ascending and descending at a fast tempo. This run or lick can be played by individually picking all, or a selection, of the notes, using techniques such as alternate picking, or economy picking. Alternatively, the lick can be played by multiple-picking notes (tremolo picking), or picking just the first or second note of a string followed by a rapid succession of hammer-ons and/or pull-offs (legato). Sweep picking is used to play extremely rapid arpeggios across the fretboard (sometimes on all strings). The tapping technique is used to play rapid flourishes of notes or to play arpeggios or scalar patterns using pure legato with no picking. Various techniques are used to perform passages with wide intervals, and to create a flowing legato sound. Some performers make complex combinations of tapping and sweep picking. [/QUOTE wrote: ]

well, definitely not me. on the contrary; I had forgotten all about them. as I said, it has been about 10 years since I last heard him

MikeEnRegalia wrote: BaldJean wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ sorry, but he's the textbook definition of "guitar shredder" ... together with Vai and all the other guys who they invite on the G3 tours. IMO the two key guitar shredder albums are Steve Vai's Passion and Warfare and Joe Satriani's Surfing with the Alien, both are from the 80s. BTW: shredding doesn't have to be mindless ... it just refers to music which is inherently technical and virtuosic. I don't know about Hackett, but there's a cool Howe shred album too (Quantum Guitar). I can only repeat that this is not how the man came through to me. the music was by no means overly virtuosic; it was more about sound. of course there were virtuosic parts in it, but definitely not all the time, else I wouldn't remember him favorably. I tire very quickly from players who play virtuosic all the time. unfortunately I don't remember what album I heard of him Who said something about "all the time"?

for me the definition of "shredder" is someone who does it all the time; the word definitely has negative connotations for me. if someone does it occasionally it is not fair towards him/her to reduce him/her
to that technique by calling him/her a "shredder". just my 5 cents worth on that topic


Edited by BaldJean - April 08 2008 at 13:35

actually shred is combination of technics, the main  difference between jazz thats not prog, and fusion that is prog, is shread!

you want an example.."al di meola"
the first jazz player that used shred in his music, and thats the main reason his fusion and not jazz, so ye it does matter, and of course his in the archives.