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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 23:43
/\ this is a very common practice too

the problem is there's just as many people who'd rather have the music and not give a damn about paying for it as there are who genuinely like the music and only financial barriers stand between them and owning a hard copy

I wonder, and this would be somewhat odd, and a bit out on a limb
but if there were to be an album that one could download in its entirety
but the files would be programmed to delete themselves after a day or two
not able to be burned to CD's etc.
so that way the consumer would have a better feel for the music
and at the same time would still have to buy it eventually

as for the imported/rare albums, that's a far more difficult problem to solve


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 23:37
I agree with Stonebeard, 40 dollars is a lot for a cd and what about downloading and then buying. I gladly spend hard earned money on prog musicians hard work. Downloading is a way for a person to get to know the music and then I would hope they would be the album and support the musician.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 23:23
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

It's a crystal clear-cut issue.  Stealing is stealing.  You don't take something you don't pay for.  Don't like the $17 price, don't buy it.  Just because you have the technology to steal music from the comfort of your own home doesn't make it not a crime.  Don't justify that *illegal* downloading is any different from shoplifting.  It is not.  Good luck Shawn.


Fine, the artist/label doesn't like me sampling their music, then either buying the album I sampled (and more), or buying further albums that outweigh the one I downloaded, then it's their loss, where it could have been a gain.

Would you call downloading an album and then buying it stealing the album? Would I have stolen it then given it back? What to do about obscure music that can't be found anywhere for under $40. I'd gladly pay $20 if it's reputable, but $40 for a CD is just stupid, so it's getting downloaded. The person offering it could have had $20, but now they have $0.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 23:15
The stealing is not the issue, the impact of it is

one problem with this is that while larger labels complain about the stealing (which doesn't have too much an impact on them, lets face it, the four main labels are HUGE) and no one pays attention but smaller labels and artists definitely feel the impact a lot more

for example, I had read a response from Toby Driver of Kayo Dot with a similar complaint, and he pays most of the price of his music and does it for the MUSIC, and yet if no one supports him/the rest of the band there will BE no more new albums by them. I post on another message board, and the collective responses seemed to fall into two categories: those who thought he was being whiny and completely disregarded it and said they'd never buy the album no matter how much they liked it, and those who enjoyed it and bought it when it was possible for them to.  (I own both Choirs of the Eye and Dowsing Anemone with Copper Tongue if you were wondering Smile)
Another complaint I've noticed people having is that a lot of people feel that a "short sample" doesn't give a feel for the whole album. As a prog rock fan, I can understand this LOL perhaps there is more of a future in the way of streaming entire albums on myspace pages etc....The Mars Volta, Muse, and Coheed and Cambria have recently implemented this with their latest albums and it's a practice that I genuinely like.

edit: I'm not proposing these as solutions, just trying to give another perspective to work with


Edited by heyitsthatguy - January 28 2008 at 23:20


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 23:03
It's a crystal clear-cut issue.  Stealing is stealing.  You don't take something you don't pay for.  Don't like the $17 price, don't buy it.  Just because you have the technology to steal music from the comfort of your own home doesn't make it not a crime.  Don't justify that *illegal* downloading is any different from shoplifting.  It is not.  Good luck Shawn.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 23:01
I definitely understand what you mean
its a tough battle though to be sure


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 22:57
You can certainly find corner cases, but I'll keep it real simple.  All the stuff on my label, I don't want being pirated, and I'm finding a lot of it being pirated.  It's all readily available from many resellers around the world, with plenty of samples, including full songs.  Our group is all interested in stopping the piracy of our material and we represent about 10,000 albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 22:49
as Stonas said

you can't be gung ho for either side because neither are completely right

on one hand you have people who hoard music and don't give a second thought to pay for any of it
on the other you have 40 minute albums for sale for defunct bands for 17 dollars

clearly the industry needs to reshape itself on a large scale and it isn't going to happen quickly


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 22:47
It's not a clear-cut issue.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 22:38
I never liked the whole Napster thing (various reasons:bad sound quality, ripping off musicians etc) so I didn't participate. At least one of my friends who was very enthusiastic about it ended up owing a couple thousand dollars.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 22:16
Good job!
I'm glad to see someone taking action against this. I don't care what anyone says, piracy is wrong and shouldn't be supported.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 22:05
I know this is an explosive topic and I don't intend for this to turn in to a flame war on this board, but myself and other artists and labels have 2 sites going www.myspace.com/progagainstpirates and progagainstpirates.blogspot.com where we are working on a campaign of education on the dangers of illegal downloading, both to the artists you enjoy and to yourself based on current laws that can see you liable for millions of dollars in damages.  

If you're a musician and want to put your name to our list, just let me know, if nothing else, come and get involved in the debate.
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