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Lionheart
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Posted: January 10 2008 at 07:00 |
Well, I think that foreign language music can be a bit more work to listen to, but that's simply because I don't understand the language itself (unless it's italian or spanish, which I can understand for the most part).
I wouldn't say that foreign vocalists ruin my experience, though.
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Firefly
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Posted: January 09 2008 at 08:56 |
ES335 wrote:
And for the women who are here, what is it about prog you lie? And why don't your sisters or friends like it?
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I'm in it for the music, man. I don't care what genitalia the vocalists have or what language they sing in. As long as it sounds good to me and fits with my personal taste, I'll buy it for a dollar. 
As for this "man's world" crap, my eyeballs couldn't be rolling more. I'm soooo sick of that bs. I was trained and spent a few years working as a sound engineer. I can't tell you how much of that nonsense 've had to put up with.
And I kicked the ASS of quite a few male sound engineers. And the type of music handled was technical death metal.
So I guess this whole "man's world" thing gets the bird from me. Big time.
But I'm not going to get in profanatio's face about what he likes or doesn't like. That's entirely his taste. You have to go with what pleases you. But to imply that Hammonds and Mellotrons belong to the realm of the scrotum is a bit much. Plenty women on the planet make heavy goddamn music by playing drums, bass, guitar, mellotron, you name it...the options don't start and end at vocals.
Anyway, what I like about prog....well....as stated, the music first and foremost. And I have to say, I don't like all forms of prog, but I will give things at least a listen before I decide how I feel about it, as even the band falls in a division of prog I don't like, they might be the exception that I end up loving. I love extreme music, heavy, technical, complicated, moody, pretty, etc. My sister (well, half sister) doesn't seem to have much of an opinion on music at all. Just not her thing. Movies are more up her alley. And my friends, well...I don't have many female friends. But one's in a good prog band playing Mellotron (rebel!  ), another prefers things like Joni Mitchell and Emmylou Harris, and yet another listens to whatever her husband is playing, and dances with her 2-year-old. So it can be anything from Radiohead to Cornelis Vreeswijk. I know a few who have sot spots for death metal and grindcore.
I think it all depends on what circles you move around in.
And now I guess I should read the rest of the thread  . I got this far and felt I had to hit reply.
Edited by Firefly - January 09 2008 at 09:27
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Sean Trane
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Posted: January 09 2008 at 08:53 |
Weeeeell you know, when I hear sandy Denny in Fairport singing a Dylan cover in French (Si Tu Dois Partir) or when I hear Tim Buckley singing Moulin Rouge (in starsailor) >>> I really wish they wouldn't bother!!!!!!!
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Ancient
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Posted: January 09 2008 at 07:18 |
If the lyrics suck, I'd rather have them in Italian, that way it sounds beautiful no matter what.
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Starette
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Posted: January 08 2008 at 17:35 |
Okay I'm going to be brutally honest here:
I do not give a s*** so long as it SOUNDS good!
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micky
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Posted: January 07 2008 at 22:38 |
Certif1ed wrote:
How about: Italian has long been renowned as the language of song, so maybe all Prog should be sung in Italian.
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a man after my heart hahahha  would do wonders for Rush's early stuff ..that is for sure hahhaha
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Posted: January 07 2008 at 17:22 |
A B Negative wrote:
T.Rox wrote:
Others have mentioned strong accents. The accents that really make me cringe have nothing to do with prog and are in English: The Proclaimers. I cannot stand these guys! Thankfully I am only exposed to them occasionally on the radio.
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I live about 15 miles from The Proclaimers' home town of Auchtermuchty (bonus points if you can pronounce it correctly). Sorry you don't like the way we speak.
Imagine how Bon Scott would have sounded if he'd never left Kirriemuir!  |
I have a number of friends with broad Scots accents. I have no issue with that. The issue is not how The Proclaimers speak - it is how they sing! I find it really irritating.
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"Without prog, life would be a mistake."
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SilverSean
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Posted: January 07 2008 at 17:16 |
I'm not sure if Kamelot is turly prog, but the vocalist really turns me off. The instrumentation is decent but the singer annoys the crap out of me.
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A B Negative
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Posted: January 07 2008 at 13:46 |
T.Rox wrote:
Others have mentioned strong accents. The accents that really make me cringe have nothing to do with prog and are in English: The Proclaimers. I cannot stand these guys! Thankfully I am only exposed to them occasionally on the radio.
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I live about 15 miles from The Proclaimers' home town of Auchtermuchty (bonus points if you can pronounce it correctly). Sorry you don't like the way we speak.
Imagine how Bon Scott would have sounded if he'd never left Kirriemuir! 
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T.Rox
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Posted: January 07 2008 at 09:44 |
As long as the lyrics blend effortlessly with the music fully completing the listening experience, the language is of no concern to me. This is a fairly recent enlightment on my behalf, though ... I got hold of my first PFM album about three years ago and now have many "foreign" language albums in my collection. (I was exposed to a bit of Polish rock a bit earlier via a guy I worked with a few years back, which was interesting.)
Others have mentioned strong accents. The accents that really make me cringe have nothing to do with prog and are in English: The Proclaimers. I cannot stand these guys! Thankfully I am only exposed to them occasionally on the radio.
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"Without prog, life would be a mistake."
...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche
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Spydrfish
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Posted: January 06 2008 at 21:38 |
Well it depends, I usually have NO problem with foreign languages in prog music (Le orme, Banco, Early ulver though it's technically not prog) and I don't mind foreign accents usually. Only really strong accents to the point to where they are struggling to speak English bothers me (Bjork, though not prog, Ghost, Some spheric universe experience. And in that case, I'd prefer it if they'd speak in their native languages.
Edited by Spydrfish - January 06 2008 at 21:51
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Sunhillow_
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Posted: January 05 2008 at 16:39 |
NO problem about ppl singing progressive rock in other languages. it makes no difference... better than being an italian band singin in english, or a German band singing in english, or a brazillian group singing in english.. you better sing in your own language.. no matter if it's prog, or metal, or pop or whatever..since Progressive Rock to me is a mix of different styles ( rock, jazz, classic, blues, eletronic, folk and stuff) and... why not?... " cultures"...so foreing langagues is not really a problem.... to me, at least..
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debrewguy
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Posted: January 05 2008 at 13:40 |
having been a fan of the eraly 70s Yes albums, I'm sure many will agree with me that lyrics, words, or verbal contributions do not need to make sense to be enjoyable along with the music. The vocalist's voice matters, though. Semiramis & other groups who have a more operatic singer tend to distract me from the beauty of the music.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: January 05 2008 at 12:59 |
What can I add to 10 pages?
How about: Italian has long been renowned as the language of song, so maybe all Prog should be sung in Italian.
Now I think about it, Welsh is also a fantastic singing language, as is French - quite honestly English is one of the clunkiest languages to sing in, and tends to interfere with the music, IMHO.
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Ancient
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Posted: January 05 2008 at 12:07 |
Which brings us to what a good vocalist is. In my book Tom Waits is a great vocalist, just so that you know ... :)
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Ancient
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Posted: January 05 2008 at 12:06 |
NO. Language or accents does not matter. But a bad vocalist can ruin the experience.
Lot of bands have top notch musicians on all places, but a so-so vocalist (F.i. King Crimson).
Never understood that, because the voice is probably the most important instrument.
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crimhead
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Posted: January 04 2008 at 23:47 |
Not at all. Good prog is good prog no matter who is singing it. I bet the first time that Damo from Can sung a song people didn't think about his singing but that it was a great song.
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jammun
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Posted: January 04 2008 at 21:36 |
This is a long thread, so I didn't read all the posts, so sorry if this is a repeat of anything earlier:
I'm an English speaker (American, so some would argue otherwise), but aren't Jon Anderson's lyrics, although written in English, essentially foreign? Isn't that part of their appeal?
"A seasoned witch could call you from the depths of your disgrace"...etc.
If that didn't ruin the prog experience (and it didn't in my case), why would anything else?
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Norbert
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Posted: January 03 2008 at 08:48 |
They don't ruin anything.
With some investigation you can find out some clues what are the songs basically about.
Actually some languages sound better than English, which is also a foreign language for me.
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A B Negative
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Posted: January 02 2008 at 15:40 |
I recently heard a version of King Crimson's Epitaph by Hector, sung in (I think) Finnish. The non-English vocals were strange to me but wouldn't have seemed as strange if I didn't already know the original version.
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