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darren 
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 Posted: December 09 2007 at 05:02 |
 clarke2001 wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
Then there's DualDisc that has a CD on one side and a DVD on the other. |
Hm...that means it's possible to make a CD with A and B side!
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Years ago this was supposed to be the next thing in cd recording, so you could have a double album or two artists on one disc.
I'm not sure if it's the same as the forementioned DCC but there was a system that I saw in an old Panasonic catalogue that was an early DAT that recorded on a VHS tape. This was supposed to be a big step in home recording.
There was also LP's that would have two grooves on one side so that how the needle dropped would be what track played. Monty Python for one did this, I'm not sure if anyone else did.
Does it count that there were also LP's that were mastered at 1/3 speed, 1/2 speed, etc.? It was supposed to improve the sound. Also "Audiophile Series" that were mastered on a slower speed and with better quality vinyl... and only 3x the price of a regular LP.
Way back when I was in highschool, there was an old textbook that had a black and white photo of a 12'' with a large hole like the singles. I've never seen or heard of any other evidence of their existance.
I also remember there was a used record store in Toronto that had a 15" LP on the wall as a decoration. It was spray painted over to look cool, so I don't know what would be on it.
My grandmother had a few talking books on LP. They were 16 1/2 RPM.
For home video, there was VHS, Beta and 12" Laserdisc (a forerunner to DVD)
There was U-matic but I'm not sure if it was ever much as far as home use, mostly schools, business and television stations.
There is another that I'm not sure I can adequately explain. It was a vinyl record-type disc kept in a flat plastic cartridge. I think it was called "Selectavision" or something.
Edited by darren - December 09 2007 at 05:16
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clarke2001
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Posted: December 03 2007 at 16:36 |
Vompatti wrote:
Then there's DualDisc that has a CD on one side and a DVD on the other.
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Hm...that means it's possible to make a CD with A and B side!
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Posted: December 03 2007 at 16:34 |
arcer wrote:
Anybody else got any crap flexis?
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One from the Guitar Player where Leas Paul is introducing hisnew Gibson
Les Paul Recording (I think). It might be crappy, but I thought
it might be a nice idea to do an album in a form of a book with flexies
(as single songs) instead of pages...
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Posted: December 03 2007 at 16:32 |
Heavyfreight wrote:
clarke2001 wrote:
I'm not counting big rounds of magnetophone tapes for studio
purposes; they were never aimed at home listening (am I wrong?).
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Yes, there were many home reel to reel tape machines made by Akai,
Revox (the domestic name for Studer), Philips, Tascam, Sony and others.
Until the advent of DAT tape and writable CD media (and then hard
disc recording on computer) a decent reel to reel set up was about the
best home recording you could have. A 1/4" tape running at 15ips
(and if you could afford it, with a Dolby A kit) gave a very good
performance.
Sadly now resigned to history by modern digital systems at a fraction of the price.
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Yes, that's a pity...my father had one of these (1/4" Teisco I think),
but I thought it was an exception of the rule, since my father
was an weird audiophile.
I would like a lot to have one of these machines...they're so charming (any many other things).
Edited by clarke2001 - December 03 2007 at 16:38
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Neil
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Posted: December 03 2007 at 16:12 |
clarke2001 wrote:
I'm not counting big rounds of magnetophone tapes for studio purposes; they were never aimed at home listening (am I wrong?).
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Yes, there were many home reel to reel tape machines made by Akai, Revox (the domestic name for Studer), Philips, Tascam, Sony and others.
Until the advent of DAT tape and writable CD media (and then hard disc recording on computer) a decent reel to reel set up was about the best home recording you could have. A 1/4" tape running at 15ips (and if you could afford it, with a Dolby A kit) gave a very good performance.
Sadly now resigned to history by modern digital systems at a fraction of the price.
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Neil
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Posted: December 03 2007 at 16:05 |
clarke2001 wrote:
There was a bigger cartridge tape in the 70's but I forgot the name.
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These were known as 8 track cartridges and used the same hardware as the jingle cartridges used in radio for years (which were three track, stereo and one control track, and ran at 7.5ips).
They had 8 tracks and ran at 3.5ips. You could have four stereo (or eight mono) recordings on the same piece of tape. Later there were also quadraphonic recordings using four tracks at a time.
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Neil
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Posted: December 03 2007 at 15:58 |
There was also the DCC or Digital Compact Cassette. This was introduced by Philips in the 90s as an alternative to DAT but never really took off.
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Posted: December 03 2007 at 11:31 |
12" LP at 33rpm (most of LP's history) 12" at 45rpm. Some modern lps cut to this across four sides of vinyl (based around albums recorded for CD length) 10" record (such as Radiohead's Amnesiac which was released as a double 10") And of course Aerosmith's big 10"  This size was used for a lot of EPs too. 7" single (45rpm) 12" single (usually at 45rpm) 78s (on brittle shellac at 78rpm) - this was how music was pressed for the most of the 20th century but a standard of 78rpm only really came into existence in the 1930s, a lot of early discs have a variance of speeds from 76 to anything up to 90rpm and most didn't even display the correct speed on the label! Finally, there was the awful flexi-disc! Anyone remember these? Before the age of digital media this is what mags used to give away music on if theu had a promotion. For example, Genesis released Twilight Alehouse on a flexidisc for ZigZag magazine in 1973 and also released The Lady LIes with Flexipop magazine in 1982 and I think there is a flexi fan club single of a live version of Firth of Fifth from the Three Sides Live era. I have an Alice Cooper flexidisc from NME around the time of Billion Dollar Babies and they are errr pretty much useless. As the name suggests, they are pressed on paper thin plastic (a litle heavier than a bin liner) and usually curl at the edges like those little plastic fish you get in Christmas crackers! Rare but rubbish. Anybody else got any crap flexis?
Edited by arcer - December 03 2007 at 11:32
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Posted: December 03 2007 at 11:07 |
clarke2001 wrote:
First of all, we have vynil: LPs spinning on 33, varying in length from 25 to 65 mins(!), then EPs, size of the LP but spinning on 45. Then singles, with big hole, 7", spinning on 45...any other sizes?
And how do you spell viyniyll??
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It's vinyl 
I have two vinyl singles, one is LP sized, the other is 10". They have one track on each side and both spin at 33, not 45... the grooves are just very far apart. Both are recent pressings from contemporary artists (The Mars Volta and NIN). coincidentally, they are both picture discs as well.
I also have a 10" LP (most LP's are 12" in diameter) from Torche.
There is also the ever popular indie 7" EP, usually with 2 songs/side, 33 RPM.
Edited by GoldenSpiral - December 03 2007 at 11:09
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Posted: December 03 2007 at 08:28 |
clarke2001 wrote:
What about digital era? I really doubt that anyone will ever sell their
album on hard disk in Virgin or HMV...but nothing's wrong if you buy an
album, open the CD box and find a USB stick inside! I would like to see
that!
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As part of the "Year Zero" buildup, Trent Reznor hid USBs with his new music at Nine Inch Nails' concerts.
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"I am a camera" - Trevor Horn
"I am yourself" - Keith Emerson
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Posted: December 03 2007 at 08:16 |
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Then there's DualDisc that has a CD on one side and a DVD on the other.
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Posted: December 03 2007 at 08:03 |
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Black Sabbath - Cross Purposes Live
Live CD + VHS Tape sold together
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Posted: December 03 2007 at 07:44 |
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You can still get blank MiniDiscs but I don't think many people use them due to the popularity of other digital formats.
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Posted: December 03 2007 at 07:41 |
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Some albums have been published on MiniDisc, but for some reason it never got very popular. Do they even make MiniDiscs anymore?
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clarke2001
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Posted: December 03 2007 at 06:22 |
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I don't want to raise another debate about analog vs. digital, but let's talk about audio media:
First of all, we have vynil: LPs spinning on 33, varying in length from
25 to 65 mins(!), then EPs, size of the LP but spinning on 45. Then
singles, with big hole, 7", spinning on 45...any other sizes?
Tapes: the standard cassette tape, officially alled "Compact Cassette",
varying in length from 5 to 140 mins.There was a bigger cartridge tape
in the 70's but I forgot the name.
I'm not counting big rounds of magnetophone tapes for studio
purposes; they were never aimed at home listening (am I wrong?).
There's digital media: CDs, single CDs, visit-card size single CDs. And that PlayStation CD thingie. Any others?
Of course, there's media for video storage that can be used as audio:
video tapes (VHS, BETA , Video2000, 8mm, any others?), DVDs.
Digital Audio Tape: I saw it for the home usage, but I think it never gained popularity.
Are there any other, alternative media for, let's say, publishing an album?
I'm not counting various virtual media and loads of different file types, I'm talking about pieces of plastic.
I was amazed when I discovered a flexi-disc, a sort of a rubber vynil record. Did anyone ever published a single on that?
For that matter, did anyone ever published an album as a "box set"
of ten singles rather than long playing vynil? That would be
aestethically very pleasing. Or the book which pages are actually
perforated flexi discs.
Did anyone ever published a record whose A side spins on 33, B on 45? What about 16 and 78?
Did anyone ever published a "box set" containing more than one different media in the package? (let's say CD and vinyl)
Anyone did a LP with a big "singles" hole? I heard the story of a band who di a record without a hole, for a joke.
What about digital era? I really doubt that anyone will ever sell their
album on hard disk in Virgin or HMV...but nothing's wrong if you buy an
album, open the CD box and find a USB stick inside! I would like to see
that!
Do you have any ideas?
And how do you spell viyniyll??
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