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Peter

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Posted: April 07 2004 at 08:43

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.

maani

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Posted: April 07 2004 at 01:24

Arqwave said: "Is very nice to see someone doesn't like certain album, because it makes you think twice if that is "really" a masterpiece."

Either that, or it makes you think twice about where the guy's head is at.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and tastes vary. No argument with either of those. My concern here is that Mr. Gledhill doesn't actually "review" many of the albums, he simply makes a subjective judgment in one or two lines. That is not reviewing; that is simply going for "shock value," since he is well aware of how the majority here feel about these albums.

If Mr. Gledhill cannot take the time to truly "review" albums - giving us specifics as to why he considers The Lamb "pretentious schlock" or Foxtrot "pretentious dribble" and rates them so low - I will personally petition Max to "fire him" as an "official" reviewer.

Peace.

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Posted: April 05 2004 at 13:24

i don't know, tastes vary from mind to mind, sometimes th population likes something, but a single person hates it...

to me free will is a basic part of depeloping urbanism and self respect, i agree that "lamb" is a marvellous album, if this guy doesn't like it, well, is his problem... our reviews should be taken as hint, not as an statement, in any case, is very nice to see someone doesn't like certain album, because it makes you think twice if that is "really" a masterpiece or an "untochable" album, hahahaha, any way enjoy..

peace

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Posted: March 31 2004 at 04:11

PETER:you mentioned "Mr Loboto"..and with the same cynical tone, elsewhere, i gotta hear it!!

(by the way is this the Stynx of "Cornerstone" (in)fame(y))

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Posted: March 31 2004 at 04:00

Hey friends I have made the same remark when discovering this review this morning

But I didn't know it was "possile or accepted" to speak about it here.

My point of view :

Progarchives is a place of liberty, in particuliar the reviews.

But sometimes liberty is scoffed

One star for "The Lamb" is ù^)à""o&¤$(), hem incredible

Edited by Tauhd Zaïa

The State Of Grace Is Achieved

Peter

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Posted: March 31 2004 at 03:08

Yes Dude! That adjective (pretentious) could arguably be applied to 98.6% of the genre!

Stynx's "Mr. Loboto," on the other hand.....

Now that is one very real, immediate and profound piece of music! Wink

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.

dude

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Posted: March 31 2004 at 03:01

Pretentiuos? a little ironic dont you think?

Peter

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Posted: March 31 2004 at 02:23

The Lamb "Pretentious shlock"?! Seems like a non-prog fan....

A wee bit extreme, especially as the album in question was largely a Gabriel project!

(See also his Genesis - FOXTROT review: "Pretentious dribble (sic) just like the previous three....")

Oh well. To each his own! "One man's meat...."

Edited by Peter Rideout

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.

Verisimilitude View Drop Down

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Posted: March 31 2004 at 02:06

Perhaps...

But this is a bit heavy...

richardh

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Posted: March 31 2004 at 01:40

The album review section seems to go between one extreme of handing out 5 stars to any old album to gems like this:

Genesis -The Lamb Lied Down On Broadway

Review by Ian Gledhill @ 3:12:09 PM EST, 3/30/2004
PROG REVIEWER

— Peter Gabriel finally comes to his senses and bales out of this sinking ship of pretentious shlock and embarks on a brighter course towards a splendid solo career.

As Amazon might say '1 out of 33 people found this review useful'

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Peter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669	Posted: April 07 2004 at 08:43

	"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.

maani Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Founding Moderator Joined: January 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2632	Posted: April 07 2004 at 01:24
	Arqwave said: "Is very nice to see someone doesn't like certain album, because it makes you think twice if that is "really" a masterpiece." Either that, or it makes you think twice about where the guy's head is at. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and tastes vary. No argument with either of those. My concern here is that Mr. Gledhill doesn't actually "review" many of the albums, he simply makes a subjective judgment in one or two lines. That is not reviewing; that is simply going for "shock value," since he is well aware of how the majority here feel about these albums. If Mr. Gledhill cannot take the time to truly "review" albums - giving us specifics as to why he considers The Lamb "pretentious schlock" or Foxtrot "pretentious dribble" and rates them so low - I will personally petition Max to "fire him" as an "official" reviewer. Peace.

arqwave Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: March 21 2004 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 177	Posted: April 05 2004 at 13:24
	i don't know, tastes vary from mind to mind, sometimes th population likes something, but a single person hates it... to me free will is a basic part of depeloping urbanism and self respect, i agree that "lamb" is a marvellous album, if this guy doesn't like it, well, is his problem... our reviews should be taken as hint, not as an statement, in any case, is very nice to see someone doesn't like certain album, because it makes you think twice if that is "really" a masterpiece or an "untochable" album, hahahaha, any way enjoy.. peace

dude Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2004 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1338	Posted: March 31 2004 at 04:11
	PETER:you mentioned "Mr Loboto"..and with the same cynical tone, elsewhere, i gotta hear it!!(by the way is this the Stynx of "Cornerstone" (in)fame(y))

Tauhd Zaïa Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 18 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 340	Posted: March 31 2004 at 04:00
	Hey friends I have made the same remark when discovering this review this morning But I didn't know it was "possile or accepted" to speak about it here. My point of view : Progarchives is a place of liberty, in particuliar the reviews. But sometimes liberty is scoffed One star for "The Lamb" is ù^)à""o&¤$(), hem incredible Edited by Tauhd Zaïa
	The State Of Grace Is Achieved

Peter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669	Posted: March 31 2004 at 03:08
	Yes Dude! That adjective (pretentious) could arguably be applied to 98.6% of the genre! Stynx's "Mr. Loboto," on the other hand..... Now that is one very real, immediate and profound piece of music!
	"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.

dude Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2004 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1338	Posted: March 31 2004 at 03:01
	Pretentiuos? a little ironic dont you think?

Peter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669	Posted: March 31 2004 at 02:23
	The Lamb "Pretentious shlock"?! Seems like a non-prog fan.... A wee bit extreme, especially as the album in question was largely a Gabriel project! (See also his Genesis - FOXTROT review: "Pretentious dribble (sic) just like the previous three....") Oh well. To each his own! "One man's meat...." Edited by Peter Rideout
	"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.

Verisimilitude Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 09 2004 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 114	Posted: March 31 2004 at 02:06
	Perhaps... But this is a bit heavy...

richardh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 28029	Posted: March 31 2004 at 01:40
	The album review section seems to go between one extreme of handing out 5 stars to any old album to gems like this: Genesis -The Lamb Lied Down On Broadway Review by Ian Gledhill @ 3:12:09 PM EST, 3/30/2004 PROG REVIEWER — Peter Gabriel finally comes to his senses and bales out of this sinking ship of pretentious shlock and embarks on a brighter course towards a splendid solo career. As Amazon might say '1 out of 33 people found this review useful'