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Points: 31294 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2007 at 18:36
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Oneiromancer Oneiromancer wrote:

Are you sure that Area fits on Italian Symphonic Rock? I'd say Fusion, Canterbury, RIO, or even Raga Rock... but it doesn't sound like symphonic at all! It's so angular and strange when compared to PFM, Banco or Genesis... (ok, I admit it doesn't sound like anything I've ever heard before).

I mean, the discussion isn't that important, but it would be similar to put Caravan on Avant Rock, wouldn't it?


you are quick.. they were moved today...  read the defintion.  That sub-genre is not a symphonic only sub-genre. ... it needs to be renamed.  that is being worked on
 
 
Does that mean all Italian bands in the archives eventually will be classifyed under one genre?LOL
 
I consider Area Jazz-Rock, since they are Jazz-Rock, so I start wondering if they got moved only because they're from Italy?Confused


I suggest you listen to the albums.. . they are not a J-R group.  Let me note Bj.   This move was agreed upon by two teams...  RPI... and .... yep.. Jazz-Rock. Those who know the group.. and the music.
 
 
Hey, I have heard their three first studio albums, and they're jazzy enough to me(the reason I still consider them as J-R). Crac is one of my favorite albums these days actually, so claiming I don't know their music is a bit wrong to say, eh?Wink
 
But hey, I respect your decisions, but I was just wondering why they got moved so no offence to any of you. I just wanted to knowSmile
 
 
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2007 at 17:42
Originally posted by andrea andrea wrote:

PAOLO TOFANI, from the foreward of the book Il libro degli Area (Editorium Edizioni) by Domenico Coduto:

 

Per descrivere il significato e l’impatto che il gruppo musicale Area ha avuto a livello sociale, politico e artistico nel corso del breve ma intenso periodo della sua esistenza, bisognerebbe effettuare un’analisi ben profonda del tessuto giovanile e delle tensioni sociali, tenendo presenti le immancabili dicotomie collegate alla gestione del potere in un periodo storico complesso...

Invece di passare interminabili ore nella sala prove cercando di vestire di significati la musica e i contenuti dei vari pezzi, tenevamo delle lunghe e stimolanti discussioni per cercare di mettere bene a fuoco il senso di quello che volevamo trasmettere, tenendo in considerazione i linguaggi, le problematiche e le speranze del mondo giovanile di quel tempo. Solo dopo aver chiarito e compreso gli argomenti trattati, cercavamo individualmente di esprimere a livello musicale quel che avevamo realizzato a livello mentale, per arrivare poi, finalmente, all’incontro collettivo presentando le diverse idee che venivano analizzate e dalle quali venivano estratti i vari elementi che andavano a creare una composizione musicale che esprimesse al meglio il concetto di unità nella diversità. Credo sia stato proprio questo aspetto a fare degli Area un’esperienza unica nella storia della musica di quel periodo...

 

Sorry, I’m not going to translate... I think that the people who moved Area from Jazz-Rock to ISP should do it...



they were moved yesterday after J-R approved it... and more are to come.  Frickin Antonious Rex are now in J-R.

what some of you need to realize that some groups are put in subgenres ...not always  because they ARE.. but because they fit best.. .when new subs come along,  a band, if  fits better in that new one,  they will be moved there.
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Points: 2064 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2007 at 17:19

PAOLO TOFANI, from the foreward of the book Il libro degli Area (Editorium Edizioni) by Domenico Coduto:

 

Per descrivere il significato e l’impatto che il gruppo musicale Area ha avuto a livello sociale, politico e artistico nel corso del breve ma intenso periodo della sua esistenza, bisognerebbe effettuare un’analisi ben profonda del tessuto giovanile e delle tensioni sociali, tenendo presenti le immancabili dicotomie collegate alla gestione del potere in un periodo storico complesso...

Invece di passare interminabili ore nella sala prove cercando di vestire di significati la musica e i contenuti dei vari pezzi, tenevamo delle lunghe e stimolanti discussioni per cercare di mettere bene a fuoco il senso di quello che volevamo trasmettere, tenendo in considerazione i linguaggi, le problematiche e le speranze del mondo giovanile di quel tempo. Solo dopo aver chiarito e compreso gli argomenti trattati, cercavamo individualmente di esprimere a livello musicale quel che avevamo realizzato a livello mentale, per arrivare poi, finalmente, all’incontro collettivo presentando le diverse idee che venivano analizzate e dalle quali venivano estratti i vari elementi che andavano a creare una composizione musicale che esprimesse al meglio il concetto di unità nella diversità. Credo sia stato proprio questo aspetto a fare degli Area un’esperienza unica nella storia della musica di quel periodo...

 

Sorry, I’m not going to translate... I think that the people who moved Area from Jazz-Rock to ISP should do it...
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2007 at 17:17
Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Oneiromancer Oneiromancer wrote:

Are you sure that Area fits on Italian Symphonic Rock? I'd say Fusion, Canterbury, RIO, or even Raga Rock... but it doesn't sound like symphonic at all! It's so angular and strange when compared to PFM, Banco or Genesis... (ok, I admit it doesn't sound like anything I've ever heard before).

I mean, the discussion isn't that important, but it would be similar to put Caravan on Avant Rock, wouldn't it?


you are quick.. they were moved today...  read the defintion.  That sub-genre is not a symphonic only sub-genre. ... it needs to be renamed.  that is being worked on
 
 
Does that mean all Italian bands in the archives eventually will be classifyed under one genre?LOL
 
I consider Area Jazz-Rock, since they are Jazz-Rock, so I start wondering if they got moved only because they're from Italy?Confused


I suggest you listen to the albums.. . they are not a J-R group.  Let me note Bj.   This move was agreed upon by two teams...  RPI... and .... yep.. Jazz-Rock. Those who know the group.. and the music.


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Points: 2064 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2007 at 16:33
Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Oneiromancer Oneiromancer wrote:

Are you sure that Area fits on Italian Symphonic Rock? I'd say Fusion, Canterbury, RIO, or even Raga Rock... but it doesn't sound like symphonic at all! It's so angular and strange when compared to PFM, Banco or Genesis... (ok, I admit it doesn't sound like anything I've ever heard before).

I mean, the discussion isn't that important, but it would be similar to put Caravan on Avant Rock, wouldn't it?


you are quick.. they were moved today...  read the defintion.  That sub-genre is not a symphonic only sub-genre. ... it needs to be renamed.  that is being worked on
 
 
Does that mean all Italian bands in the archives eventually will be classifyed under one genre?LOL
 
I consider Area Jazz-Rock, since they are Jazz-Rock, so I start wondering if they got moved only because they're from Italy?Confused
 
What's exactly jazz-rock for you and why are you so sure that Area "are" jazz-rock?
This is an interesting article about jazz-rock, but I think that Area don't fit this subgenre... http://www.ibiblio.org/johncovach/jazz-rock.htm
 
 
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Points: 31294 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2007 at 15:50
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Oneiromancer Oneiromancer wrote:

Are you sure that Area fits on Italian Symphonic Rock? I'd say Fusion, Canterbury, RIO, or even Raga Rock... but it doesn't sound like symphonic at all! It's so angular and strange when compared to PFM, Banco or Genesis... (ok, I admit it doesn't sound like anything I've ever heard before).

I mean, the discussion isn't that important, but it would be similar to put Caravan on Avant Rock, wouldn't it?


you are quick.. they were moved today...  read the defintion.  That sub-genre is not a symphonic only sub-genre. ... it needs to be renamed.  that is being worked on
 
 
Does that mean all Italian bands in the archives eventually will be classifyed under one genre?LOL
 
I consider Area Jazz-Rock, since they are Jazz-Rock, so I start wondering if they got moved only because they're from Italy?Confused
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2007 at 14:18
I think the poster was making the same point Dick, he was saying it would be ludicrous to classify Caravan as Avant in order to make a point.
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Points: 12812 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2007 at 06:10
Originally posted by Oneiromancer Oneiromancer wrote:

Are you sure that Area fits on Italian Symphonic Rock? I'd say Fusion, Canterbury, RIO, or even Raga Rock... but it doesn't sound like symphonic at all! It's so angular and strange when compared to PFM, Banco or Genesis... (ok, I admit it doesn't sound like anything I've ever heard before).

I mean, the discussion isn't that important, but it would be similar to put Caravan on Avant Rock, wouldn't it?
 
How can Caravan be 'avant' when after Soft Machine their are the archetypal Canterbury band, further the 2nd Caravan album If  Could Do It Again was an attempt to jazz it up like Soft Machine IMHO.
 
Why do we get our knickers is acomplete twist wrt what aband's music is, by overdoing the sub-categorisation?  - I'll repate yet again: we need the flexibility here  to multi-tag bands since many bands simply don't stay musically in one sub-genre.
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Points: 2601 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 23:20
I just saw the review pop up and had a little chuckle when I saw the subgenre...had a feeling about what's going on.  I'm sure many will disagree, but me likes itThumbs%20Up
 
On the surface, PFM and Area have about as much in common as Genesis and Univers Zero, but if you look carefully you can spot  the things that unify "Rock Progressivo Italiano" in both groups.
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 20:56
and nice review of Arbeit Macht Frei...  stunning album
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 20:52
as a matter of fact.. a more complete definition is being worked on as well.  In short is for the Italian progressive rock movement...   similar in nature..  but differently musically of course .. to Krautrock.  The musical similarities are there.. just much more sublte
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 20:48
Originally posted by Oneiromancer Oneiromancer wrote:

Are you sure that Area fits on Italian Symphonic Rock? I'd say Fusion, Canterbury, RIO, or even Raga Rock... but it doesn't sound like symphonic at all! It's so angular and strange when compared to PFM, Banco or Genesis... (ok, I admit it doesn't sound like anything I've ever heard before).

I mean, the discussion isn't that important, but it would be similar to put Caravan on Avant Rock, wouldn't it?


you are quick.. they were moved today...  read the defintion.  That sub-genre is not a symphonic only sub-genre. ... it needs to be renamed.  that is being worked on
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Are you sure that Area fits on Italian Symphonic Rock? I'd say Fusion, Canterbury, RIO, or even Raga Rock... but it doesn't sound like symphonic at all! It's so angular and strange when compared to PFM, Banco or Genesis... (ok, I admit it doesn't sound like anything I've ever heard before).

I mean, the discussion isn't that important, but it would be similar to put Caravan on Avant Rock, wouldn't it?
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