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Peter
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Posted: October 31 2007 at 08:33 |
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Thanks for taking it in such good grace, Slow-gan. 
You know, re the delirium tremens thing, I wasn't even trying to correct the spelling, but just lighten the tone of my response. 
Bugs! Little bugs everywhere! Get 'em offa me!
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Peter
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Posted: October 31 2007 at 08:27 |
The T wrote:
my dear teacher, I understand and agree. But with names, I mantain my position. Or are you PEDRO?  
My good teacher.  |
Rest In Pieces, Le The....
Yes, people are free to spell their names in whatever fashion their parents want! 
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Peter
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Posted: October 31 2007 at 08:23 |
oroboross wrote:
What a horrific waste of a thread. Is this a music forum or a grammer forum? If you are Chinese it's still Dream Theater. This was the first thread I went to. If this is any indication of the level of discussion about Dream Theater I'm wasting my time. |
That's GRAMMAR. 
I think a 'horriffic" thread is perfect for Halloween, but if it's not exciting enough for you, might I recommend an "X vs Y -- who's best" or "what are you listening to" thread? Those numbers and lists are always thrilling! 
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Easy Livin
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Posted: October 31 2007 at 04:37 |
oroboross wrote:
What a horrific waste of a thread. Is this a music forum or a grammer forum? If you are Chinese it's still Dream Theater. This was the first thread I went to. If this is any indication of the level of discussion about Dream Theater I'm wasting my time. |
Perhaps you might care to try one of our other threads. We have quite a lot here you know. It seems strange that you should focus your initial posts on deriding the one you don't care for.
The discussion is perfectly legitimate. If you feel it is wasting your time, then move along to a different one.
Simple eh?
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Dean
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Posted: October 31 2007 at 04:19 |
Atkingani wrote:
There are some exceptions with kings, popes, biblical and ancient characters, no?  |
The only exceptions that I know of are place and country names.
Inglaterra,
Англия,
Inghilterra,
Angleterre,
Großbritannien ... For some reason the Google translator came up with that for the German version, I think the German name is actually England.
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oroboross
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Posted: October 31 2007 at 01:19 |
What a horrific waste of a thread. Is this a music forum or a grammer forum? If you are Chinese it's still Dream Theater. This was the first thread I went to. If this is any indication of the level of discussion about Dream Theater I'm wasting my time.
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Logan
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Posted: October 30 2007 at 23:48 |
Peter wrote:
Logan wrote:
Actually, both spellings are considered correct in the US, I believe. I have a spell-check program running in the background as I type, and it's underlining "theatre" which indicates that it should be revised.
Irregardless of country, of course the band name should be spelled as they spell it (not sure if the members of DT can spell, but that's by-the-by). I know I often feel bad about skipping umlauts/ accents/ various punctuation marks in some band and album names -- not good with the keyboard symbols.
Since, like I spell colour with a "u", I usually automatically spell theatre with an "re" at the end, I have to think before spelling out the band's name. Or at least i did, now I'm used to writing out Dream Theater. Although DT -- delerium tremens - usually suffices. Actually, I don't like the use of acronyms much -- there are other bands that that can be abbreviated to DT, like Deadsoul Tribe, but I Digress Terribly.
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Your spell check program is set to American English, then. Canada follows British spelling patterns.
(American versions are inevitably creeping in, though, as reading and writing skills deteriorate, and mass media and the Internet spread California surfer/Valley-speak to, like, every corner of the world).
You and every good Canadian are SUPPOSED to spell "colour" with a "u." Leave out the u and I'll deduct a mark! 
The word is regardless. "Irregardless" is not a word.
Thus concludes the lesson. 
Good luck with the delirium tremens, by the way! 
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Humorous intent or not, you are perversely pedantic, Peter.  No offence taken, however. It's your schtick. Not that it matters, but irregardless is a word, but it is dialectic United Statesian. Rather appropriate, I thought. Of course the ir at the beginning is superfluous. And shame on me for the delirium typo, I must have been delirious. I have thrown away that spell-check program, which of course I knew was in Americanized English, as I rather feel like I'm cheating when I use one at all. I could rarely be bothered with it anyway. Only the auto-checker was using American English, but I could never bother to run the other. As for the u in colour, I automatically use it, but sometimes in my work it has been considered better that I use Americanized English for documents. Anyway, the main point of my old post was merely to say that theatre can be spelled both ways in the US, and that Hamster Theatre, an American band, uses the "re" spelling. Peter, you make me very glad I'm not still in school (either studying or teaching).  Though I do proofread and edit the odd thesis. I know I'm horribly under-qualified even if they are just economics papers. To go boldly where no serious linguist has gone before... That's one of my little goals in life.
Edited by Logan - October 30 2007 at 23:53
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The T
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Posted: October 30 2007 at 23:35 |
Peter wrote:
The T wrote:
All of this is nonsense....
Dream Theater were named Dream THEATER by their members.. If they chose to name themselves Dream THIATREDS just because they wanted to, it's their band and their name... the same with any band.
This wins for most useless thread ever....sorry |
Well, the thread is petty, certainly, but Dream Theater spelt their name as they did because they are Americans. They did not invent the spelling. (Yes, a band can misspell its name if the members so wish, but nonetheless "theater" is a correct spelling.)
Spelling in a standard fashion is certainly not "nonsense." You might as well say adding or subtracting in a standard fashion is nonsense. Languages have rules to facilitate effective communication from one writer or speaker to the next. That's just the way the world works, my friend. |
my dear teacher, I understand and agree. But with names, I mantain my position. Or are you PEDRO?  
My good teacher. 
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Posted: October 30 2007 at 23:07 |
Atavachron wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
Grammer are for pussies |
you mean 'Grammers'
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oops, I meant Grammers is for pussies
 i'm so embarassed
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 30 2007 at 23:04 |
Proletariat wrote:
Grammer are for pussies |
you mean 'Grammers'
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Peter
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Posted: October 30 2007 at 22:59 |
The T wrote:
All of this is nonsense....
Dream Theater were named Dream THEATER by their members.. If they chose to name themselves Dream THIATREDS just because they wanted to, it's their band and their name... the same with any band.
This wins for most useless thread ever....sorry |
Well, the thread is petty, certainly, but Dream Theater spelt their name as they did because they are Americans. They did not invent the spelling. (Yes, a band can misspell its name if the members so wish, but nonetheless "theater" is a correct spelling.)
Spelling in a standard fashion is certainly not "nonsense." You might as well say adding or subtracting in a standard fashion is nonsense. Languages have rules to facilitate effective communication from one writer or speaker to the next. That's just the way the world works, my friend.
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Proletariat
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Posted: October 30 2007 at 22:52 |
Grammer are for pussies
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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Peter
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Posted: October 30 2007 at 22:50 |
Logan wrote:
Actually, both spellings are considered correct in the US, I believe. I have a spell-check program running in the background as I type, and it's underlining "theatre" which indicates that it should be revised.
Irregardless of country, of course the band name should be spelled as they spell it (not sure if the members of DT can spell, but that's by-the-by). I know I often feel bad about skipping umlauts/ accents/ various punctuation marks in some band and album names -- not good with the keyboard symbols.
Since, like I spell colour with a "u", I usually automatically spell theatre with an "re" at the end, I have to think before spelling out the band's name. Or at least i did, now I'm used to writing out Dream Theater. Although DT -- delerium tremens - usually suffices. Actually, I don't like the use of acronyms much -- there are other bands that that can be abbreviated to DT, like Deadsoul Tribe, but I Digress Terribly.
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Your spell check program is set to American English, then. Canada follows British spelling patterns.
(American versions are inevitably creeping in, though, as reading and writing skills deteriorate, and mass media and the Internet spread California surfer/Valley-speak to, like, every corner of the world).
You and every good Canadian are SUPPOSED to spell "colour" with a "u." Leave out the u and I'll deduct a mark! 
The word is regardless. "Irregardless" is not a word.
Thus concludes the lesson. 
Good luck with the delirium tremens, by the way! 
Edited by Peter - October 30 2007 at 23:02
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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The T
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Posted: October 30 2007 at 22:47 |
Atkingani wrote:
There are some exceptions with kings, popes, biblical and ancient characters, no?  |
I don't agree... well, with kings and Popes, THEY actually choose their names and as it's somewhat of a "universal possesion" (yes, this sounds weird... I don't know how to explain it, but think of the Pope as -according to Christians- the Apostle of God in Earth, so as God is Universal, well, there's no "property" or sense of belonging in a Pope's name... the only case....)
With biblical characters, that's actually because we have been taught so. And because the only prints of the bible available to most people are prints in each person's own language..
Hector villalobos? Hector Village-Wolves?? (  )... No, I prefer Heitor...
And I demand that even for myself. At work, people used to call me THEO... I have asked everyone to call me TEO... that's not my name (short for my name actually) but that's how it's spelled....imagine my last name which is Gomez de la Torre translated: Gomez of The Tower....  
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Atkingani
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Posted: October 30 2007 at 22:41 |
There are some exceptions with kings, popes, biblical and ancient characters, no?
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The T
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Posted: October 30 2007 at 22:34 |
All of this is nonsense....
Names are to be pronounced and written as they are... ANYWHERE... there are NAMES belonging to only ONE entity in the world... no matter how many bands/people/whatever share the name, when it refers to a particular being, it's only HIS/HER...
I never agree with people in spanish translating Johann Sebastian Bach into Juan Sebastian Bach... Aghhh!  His name is JOHANN... I would never like to see Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra called Michael of Cervantes Saavedra (aghhh  )... Even with supid things, I don't translate even names of cars, hotels, anything... If I can't pronounce the word (as, for example, a french name) I just pronounce it like I can, but I never translate as it's NOT a generic but something for just ONE being...
Why don't we call The Beatles Los Escarabajos (it would have to be different as Beat-and beetles are different... it's a game of words..) Or I know! All of you Genesis worshippers! For now on, as my language is spanish, it's Pedro Gabriel and Felipe Collins for me... and Yes is no longer Yes, it's SI.
Dream Theater were named Dream THEATER by their members.. If they chose to name themselves Dream THIATREDS just because they wanted to, it's their band and their name... the same with any band.
This wins for most useless thread ever....sorry
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Peter
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Posted: October 30 2007 at 22:27 |
FunnyWays wrote:
Its a name and names have to be spelt the same whatever country you in. There an American band so there called theater, if they were a british band everyone would have to put up with it being the other way.
Anyway to me theater makes more sence, don't like the look of the word theatre. |
Listen to this guy -- he knows his English....
As with many words, theater is spelled differently by Americans and Brits, thus both spellings are "right." Deal with it, folks! 
Regarding the British version, I can tell by looking at the "re"ending that it's almost certainly French in origin. Yes -- I just confirmed, via my Dictionary of Word Origins that it does indeed come from Old French (via that Norman Conquest thing, no doubt).
Now stop banging on about it, and go read a book, for Pete's sake! 
Edited by Peter - October 30 2007 at 22:29
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Dean
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Posted: October 30 2007 at 14:42 |
FunnyWays wrote:
Its a name and names have to be spelt the same whatever country you in. There an American band so there called theater, if they were a british band everyone would have to put up with it being the other way.
Anyway to me theater makes more sence, don't like the look of the word theatre. |
eh? What? What's not to like? It looks too French?
I guess you won't be walking a 100 metres to the shopping centre for a litre of milk. 
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FunnyWays
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Posted: October 30 2007 at 14:17 |
Its a name and names have to be spelt the same whatever country you in. There an American band so there called theater, if they were a british band everyone would have to put up with it being the other way.
Anyway to me theater makes more sence, don't like the look of the word theatre.
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Posted: October 28 2007 at 22:06 |
By the way the band spells it I guess, it would seem most appropiate.
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