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Ivan_Melgar_M 
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 Posted: August 21 2007 at 16:58 |
Mike en Regalía wrote:
 Nice ... here's a few suggestions though:
Always welcomed Mike
- It should be called "category" instead of "genre" ... it's really not a genre of music.
If you read the definition, I never called Prog Related a sub-genre, as a fact read the third line of the definition:
Definition:
Prog Related is the category that groups bands and artists that:
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Any mention of the word GENRE is referred to Progressive Rock, if it was referred to Prog Related it would say Sub-Genre.
- it could be made more clear that the three conditions are alternatives ... most prog-related bands only satisfy one of them, and people might think that's not enough.
That’s a good idea, as in the definitive version of Art Rock definition I wrote (Already deleted), I included the words OR in two places, I will ask Bob to do so, like this:
Definition should say:
Prog Related is the category that groups bands and artists that:
- Without being 100% Prog, received clear MUSICAL influence of this genre, OR
- Are widely accepted as MUSICALLY influential to the development of Progressive Rock by the community, OR
- Blend characteristics of Progressive Rock with mainstream elements creating a final product that despite not being part of the genre is evident that are close to Prog.
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I believe that would solve the slight problem, I will ask Bob to make the the addiotion of the two words, don’t know how I could forget them.
Iván
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Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - August 21 2007 at 17:00
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 16:41 |
I thought this genre was for musicians related to other musicians in Prog. I bet its a hell of a jam around the holidays.
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Chicapah
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 16:34 |
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Good work, Ivan!
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"Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain
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ProgBagel
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 16:08 |
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Great as always Ivan!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 16:03 |
Nice ... here's a few suggestions though: - It should be called "category" instead of "genre" ... it's really not a genre of music. - it could be made more clear that the three conditions are alternatives ... most prog-related bands only satisfy one of them, and people might think that's not enough. 
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cookieacquired
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 15:24 |
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Very nicely phrased, this new definition should end some squabbles
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sleeper
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 15:23 |
I agree, makes PR very clear cut. Unforunatly there will still be people complaining. 
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 15:15 |
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You're such a lawyer, Ivan!
Excellent definition, should clear up a lot of the confusion that happens when guys like Led Zeppelin or the Who get added.
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el böthy
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 15:09 |
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I approve it... so you know it´s good jejejeje
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 13:03 |
As promised to Bob (Easy Livin’), a couple of weeks ago I wrote a new definition for Prog Related that has already been approved by the Adm Team and thanks to the efforts of Bob:
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Prog Related
Progressive rock is not a separate universe in music, it’s a genre among many others, a voice in the chorus and as part of a biggest scenario has points of contact with other musical genres.
Prog Related is the category that groups bands and artists that:
- Without being 100% Prog, received clear MUSICAL influence of this genre.
- Are widely accepted as MUSICALLY influential to the development of Progressive Rock by the community,
- Blend characteristics of Progressive Rock with mainstream elements creating a final product that despite not being part of the genre is evident that are close to Prog.
We specify the word MUSICAL because simple performance of a determined instrument in a Prog or mainstream band is not justification enough to include an artist, no matter how virtuoso he/she may be, Prog Archives has to evaluate their compositional work because the music is what determines the characteristics of a band or an artist.
Prog Related bands are not considered part of the genre but they have contributed in some form in the development of Progressive Rock, the inclusion of a band is exceptional and only after verifying that it’s a contribution for the better understanding of Prog among the members and visitors instead of a source of confusion for the community.
Iván Melgar Morey
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I tried to emphasize certain requirements to be added like:
- Being MUSICALLY influential to Prog: Not technical, not making a great performance but making music which is the reason why we are here, there’s also an additional requirement, being WIDELY ACCEPTED as influential, I know this may be subjecticve, but we can't avoid all teh aleatory elememnts from a definition...Buit be honest with yourselfs even if you publicly don't accept it, we all know when a band is widely accepted as prog and when not despite all the arguments.
- Being MUSICALLY influenced by Prog.
- Blend Prog and mainstream Characteristics.
It’s also emphasized the RXCEPTIONAL characteristic of an addition of a band to Prog Related,. It’s not our main purpose, not even the second main purpose, it’s exceptional and left to the criteria of the Administrators Team.
To end it’s also important to notice that we recognize a Prog Related band IS NOT A PROGRESSIVE BAND and for that reason shouldn’t cause problems among some members (including myself) because it doesn’t affect the integrity and/or coherence of Progressive Rock.
Thanks Easy Livin’ for your help.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - August 21 2007 at 13:21
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