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bluetailfly
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 23:31 |
Easy Money wrote:
A lot of you have a very shallow knowledge of what Hendrix was really about and about the amazing prog-rock songs he put out in addition to his more well known blues and pop-hard rock stuff. Hendrix along with Zappa, Fripp, Pink Floyd, Soft Machine, Procol Harum and the Beatles invented prog-rock. One thing Hendrix had over many artists on this site is some very real lyrics. |
I think you should revisit the definition of prog rock.
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 23:28 |
Easy Money wrote:
A lot of you have a very shallow knowledge of what Hendrix was really about and about the amazing prog-rock songs he put out in addition to his more well known blues and pop-hard rock stuff. Hendrix along with Zappa, Fripp, Pink Floyd, Soft Machine, Procol Harum and the Beatles invented prog-rock. One thing Hendrix had over many artists on this site is some very real lyrics. |
This is a very unfair thing to say. If many people here don't think Hendrix is prog, it is because their view of what constitutes prog is not the same as yours. We are talking about art, not hard science, and art is a very subjective thing. Many of the members of this site have an incredibly extensive knowledge of music, so I think that calling their knowledge "shallow" is very untrue, as well as slightly rude.
Edited by Ghost Rider - September 13 2007 at 23:29
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Posted: September 13 2007 at 23:19 |
A lot of you have a very shallow knowledge of what Hendrix was really about and about the amazing prog-rock songs he put out in addition to his more well known blues and pop-hard rock stuff. Hendrix along with Zappa, Fripp, Pink Floyd, Soft Machine, Procol Harum and the Beatles invented prog-rock. One thing Hendrix had over many artists on this site is some very real lyrics.
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 05:17 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
Jimi signficantly influenced everybody. I don't think that you claim that any part of that influence was somehow more relevant to prog than anything else. Hence, I think he should be excluded. |
There are a lot of prog bands with a strong hendrixian influence, such as "Guru guru".
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 05:16 |
He deserves to be here of course. "Third stone from the sun" is a another prog piece (from "Are you experienced?").
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 04:49 |
1983 was the closest thing to prog Jimi ever played imo, though that's not a song that a lot of people remember him by. I suspect he might have made full-blown prog, had he lived longer (he almost joined ELP, mind you).
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 13:03 |
Jimi signficantly influenced everybody. I don't think that you claim that any part of that influence was somehow more relevant to prog than anything else. Hence, I think he should be excluded.
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 23:14 |
reading the last couple of posts.... remember.... it is a NON prog category he is being considered for.
The question isn't whether he was prog.... but rather if he significantly influenced the development of prog rock.
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 23:07 |
Love JIMI but he is records aren't prog so that means NO!!!!!
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 20:07 |
SRV is in no way 80 times better than Jimi! Secondly, Nine to the Universe is Jimi's most progressive album, then perhaps Electric Ladyland.
Hendrix, although primarily a blues guitarist, started to evolve his sound into free-form jazz rock, like in the sessions which eventually became Nine to the Universe. Add to that the influence of prog bands like ELP, and it was evident that he was headed in that direction. Hendrix was even considering joining ELP (HELP) before he died.
As for the question of whether or not Jimi belongs in the Prog Archives, I still voted no, but it's not because his music was not progressive enough. It certainly was, but he died before "prog Hendrix" could become a reality. It's yet another of those "what ifs" had he lived.
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 03:30 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
meinmatrix wrote:
Jimi plays blues.
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Stevie ray vaughn is probably 80 times better though...
I would rather see stevie hear then Jimi |
i don't think SRV himself would have even remotely agreed with that daft comment...
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 03:28 |
Hendrix definitely deserves to be included in PA - his influence on psyche and prog metal is inestimable - listen to Electric Ladyland, most cite this as a blues album but IMHO an essential blueprint for prog-metal (and Axis..).
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Posted: July 25 2007 at 04:13 |
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if anything, Prog influenced him. We know that he very much liked certain prog acts, even lesser ones such as Touch. |
Touch are also a proto prog band, they released their album 1968. Before this album Jimi had already released "Are You Experenced" and "Axis: Bold as Love" records. I think they are very influental albums concidering the evaluation of Psychedelic prog and Krautrock. They didin't influence YES nor GENESIS though.
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Posted: July 25 2007 at 04:06 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
This site is named Prog Archives, an abbreviation of Progressive Archives so I would like to welcome The Jimi Hendrix Experience on this site. I am looking forward to review it among reviews about previous additions like Iron Maiden, Talk Talk, Osibisa, JM Jarre and Magnum, I think The Jimi Hendrix Experience their progressive ideas on Electric Ladyland will be superior in comparison with those aforementioned 'progressive' bands |
"Prog Archives, the ultimate Prog Rock Archives" there was already a huge topic about this, mr. Erik. And I don't see how Hendrix relates to Iron Maiden, Talk Talk, Osibisa, Jarre (?!) or Magnum (who, themselves, are between prog and non-prog). To tell you the truth, I feel that Hendrix has some progressive worth, whilst thinking of other very stretched and inconsistent great bands added under the same "suspicion" that they have influenced progressive rock. But I decided not to go by this way of thinking (that Hendrix deserves what X,Y,Z don't), because I actually criticize it. Therefore, I'm more thinking that Hendrix is a master of his blues and his psych, but never good for a prog or proto-prog influence.
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Posted: July 25 2007 at 03:49 |
if anything, Prog influenced him. We know that he very much liked certain prog acts, even lesser ones such as Touch. But as you point out Bob, he died before he had a chance to explore this area.
Edited by Atavachron - July 25 2007 at 03:50
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Posted: July 25 2007 at 03:44 |
A number of the responses here say no because he isn't prog.
Let's take that as read, he died before prog was born. Did he influence prog though? Should be be added as Proto Prog.
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Posted: July 25 2007 at 03:18 |
I voted no. The only reason I could think for possibly justifying including him is that his style influenced just about every kid who picked up a guitar after 1970, but I don't think that you could claim that that influence was something particularly pertaining to prog.
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Posted: July 25 2007 at 02:49 |
Jimi Hendrix was not a part of the progressive rock movement. Going beyond this he is progressive (in dictionary-sense) as someone mentioned earlier in this topic (thousands have), he played the blues like no other. I believe that's a truth, and therefore he took blues music in places it hadn't been before. Yes took classical music where it hadn't been before. Mahavishnu Orchestra took jazz where it hadn't been before. See the trend?
On the other hand, being the strict person I am I don't believe all these psychedelic "proto-prog"/"prog-related" groups (beatles, who, led zeppelin, jimi hendrix, etc) should actually be put on the same level as the prog-rock classics we have here, if they even have to be here at all. I'd prefer if they weren't, as much as I love these groups. The more you blur the lines between progressive and not progressive, the more the term progressive becomes meaningless to everything and everyone. Stop applying the word to everything, please. For God sakes save the term for when it actually applies.
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Posted: July 25 2007 at 02:47 |
JesusisLord wrote:
This all started a while back with the inclusion of Queen, ( to this day, I cannot understand what they are doing in the Progarchives.) ...
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Posted: July 25 2007 at 01:56 |
I voted "Yes", though these polls don't have a fundamental effect for what is included in proto or related or not: Many of the bands added there had been voted "no" in previous polls.
Jimi is not prog, so he couldn't be in Psych prog genre, but in my opinion his playing style and musical ideas done with the Experience group (along with the live improvisations of Cream) set standards to the acid rock guitar playing style and expanded the psychedelic musical forms from the mid 60's rock towards more wider perspection, and he influenced many Psych prog and Krautrock musicians like Manuel Göttsching. There wouldn't be Ash Ra Tempel with out Hendrix!
Also blues style doesn't exclude anyone out from the proto prog section, nor even the propg section IMO: If you listen mid 70's Pink floysd songs, many of them are just slow blues songs with long synth chords and some effects played upon them (like Shine on You Crazy Diamond etc.). I don't think there are any musical reasons to not include him to proto prog, but as long as the proto and related artists are in a same zones, people wont be happy as non-prog artists are introduced there; I think it's seen like some XO Cognag would be mixed with Coca Cola.
Just my penny for the debate, thanks.
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