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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2007 at 15:33
Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

I thought you were more liberal. I guess the Off-topic political discussions all blend together after a while. ;-)

Yeah, we could use Nixon right now. He may have been a paranoid b*****d, but he was a damn good diplomat. And I'm sure he couldn't be any worse than W at domestic policy (I used to like him, but he has made a lot of mistakes and probably has wrecked any chance for the Republicans to gain control anytime soon).
 
But we should probably get back on topic. ;-)


we should... Wink though I think this topic  is dead ... I think the nail's head has been struck with this topic.  Blame the frickin kiddies and their need for free music for those increases.....

fwiw....I am a flaming left wing liberal, you've seen me there in off-topic discussions...however I'm just an honest objective one. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2007 at 13:57

I thought you were more liberal. I guess the Off-topic political discussions all blend together after a while. ;-)

Yeah, we could use Nixon right now. He may have been a paranoid b*****d, but he was a damn good diplomat. And I'm sure he couldn't be any worse than W at domestic policy (I used to like him, but he has made a lot of mistakes and probably has wrecked any chance for the Republicans to gain control anytime soon).
 
But we should probably get back on topic. ;-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2007 at 13:42
Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

If you'll note, I was laughing too, and since the rest of your post was serious it was kind of hard to tell. And I know someone who hates Reagan that much, so it wasn't entirely ridiculous.


cool Wink...  I happen to like old Ronnie, not hate him..maybe it's nostalgia though... he was a dottering old fool ....but he was honest one and well meaning one.

like Nixon.... an ace for the foreign policy... and a disaster domestically.  It took his policies to make Democrats look fiscally responsible. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2007 at 13:34
If you'll note, I was laughing too, and since the rest of your post was serious it was kind of hard to tell. And I know someone who hates Reagan that much, so it wasn't entirely ridiculous.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2007 at 13:31
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Ermm Why save it?

 
Stern%20Smile Because Archive uber prog sage Dick Heath would want us to! Angry
 
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Embarrassed I confess, I don't listen to it, though. Can someone (again) post a link to a good channel or two, for troglodyte (proglodytes?) luddites like moi to try? Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2007 at 13:29
Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

 Could launch into some diatribe about this being an a effect of the Reagan years.. of me first and to hell with others. 
Haha, so Reagan invented selfishness? And, presumably, people under Carter were not? I understand that you are still bitter about the whole Iran-Contra thing, but the liberal hatred of Reagan sometimes seems to border on complete irrationality.
 
PS Blaming this on Bush is classy. Especially when it's the RIAA that's pushing this (looking it up, recently they were calling for increased royalties and claimed the right to collect royalties for artists not affiliated with them.


hahahha.. piss off .... it's a joke... you take things far too seriously...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2007 at 13:22
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

 Could launch into some diatribe about this being an a effect of the Reagan years.. of me first and to hell with others. 
Haha, so Reagan invented selfishness? And, presumably, people under Carter were not? I understand that you are still bitter about the whole Iran-Contra thing, but the liberal hatred of Reagan sometimes seems to border on complete irrationality.
 
PS Blaming this on Bush is classy. Especially when it's the RIAA that's pushing this (looking it up, recently they were calling for increased royalties and claimed the right to collect royalties for artists not affiliated with them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2007 at 12:43

Internet radio plays what commercial radio doesn't.  Internet radio plays QUALITY MUSIC and permits us to discover bands that would not make it without a label. Yes there is download out there, but as a band member myself, all I wish for is for my music to be listened to. To pass my message through music. Internet is there for me and to spread the word. I think the labels need to know that buying radio transmission time is OUT. We need to hear what's out there and be able to overpass the laws that surround the transmission gimmicks. Here it's called CRTC and the best radio stations have been closed because of their conventions and laws... Internet in not yet touched by this. Get the point?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2007 at 12:04
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2007 at 12:03

Ermm Why save it?

 
Stern%20Smile Because Archive uber prog sage Dick Heath would want us to! Angry
 
Wink
 
 
 
Embarrassed I confess, I don't listen to it, though. Can someone (again) post a link to a good channel or two, for troglodyte (proglodytes?) luddites like moi to try? Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2007 at 11:52
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I agree Mickey.  It so sad to see people rationalize illegal downloading as somehow different than walking into a store and stuffing CDs into their coat, something they would probably abhor. 
 
Its' the same thing.  Stealing is stealing no matter how they go to the ends of the earth to justify it.  Sorry, same thing. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2007 at 11:16
I agree Mickey.  It so sad to see people rationalize illegal downloading as somehow different than walking into a store and stuffing CDs into their coat, something they would probably abhor. 
 
Its' the same thing.  Stealing is stealing no matter how they go to the ends of the earth to justify it.  Sorry, same thing. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2007 at 08:25
  when you see people, if effect,  stealing music...   I'm sure it's cyclic  People steal and the artists ask from from other sources.  Could launch into some diatribe about this being an a effect of the Reagan years.. of me first and to hell with others.  People only care for what they can get.. and for how little ...  music has never been free... nor should it ever be... most of us had to save our lunch money to buy cassettes and Lp's... not do a quick google search and download any album we choose to hear.

 but I won't I guess. Don't want to go off topic.

Sad to see that happen to IR... but it is the nature of business and result of the loss of income from other areas.


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1. It is the source for the most diverse and simply the most progressive music heard on the radio worldwide.
 

2. My vote for the most chilling scene on fiction film? It’s not a slasher, nothing involving Hannibal Lecter, not even the final moments of “Soylent Green.” No, my nomination for the Lifetime Achievement in Creepiness goes to the remake of “Invasion of the Body Snatchers.” As I remember it, the pod people are taking over San Francisco; one sign of their progress is that radio music is replaced with the single-mindless drone of a newscaster. The hero (aka Donald Sutherland) scurries desperately down a street, a perfect picture of paranoia. But wait! We hear bagpipes playing “Amazing Grace.” For a moment, there is a flicker of hope for humanity. Then the pipes are silenced in a burst of static, and after a moment’s silence, we hear only the newscaster.

This scene wouldn’t be so spooky if it were purely fictional. It’s not. Our human versions of pod people have several times taken over the radio realm, only to be subverted by the forces of diversity. In the 1920s, the number and variety of radio stations boomed, but fell under tight government and corporate control in the 1930s. To escape these limits, operators built huge, unregulated transmitters across the border, giving voice to the likes of Reverend Ike and Wolfman Jack. When rock ’n’ roll was under the safe control of the AM networks, saturated with ads, yammering DJs, and narrow playlists, along came FM underground radio and its undermining album-oriented rock. Remember KMPX?

When corrupt Republicanism reached a crescendo in the early GWB years, media mogul Rupert Murdoch’s Clear Channel was body-snatching independent community-centered radio stations by the dozen, leaving pre-programmed drones in its wake. The North Bay was lucky to have a good number of stations that escaped this plague, most notably KRCB, KRSH and KPFA. But with costs and commercial pressures on the rise, how long would real radio last? With the alternative voices silenced, would the demise of democracy be far behind?

I discovered Internet radio (IR) when my daughter got her own show at KZMU, the Moab, Utah listener-supported station. Technology, in the form of broadband access and audio streaming, made it possible for me to hear Laurel’s two-hour show live. Or I could set a timer to record the show on my hard drive, then put it on my iPod (no relation) for later listening. From KZMU, it was a short step to realizing that there were dozens — no, hundreds — of stations streaming on the Internet. Wow, what if there were a Web site “dial” for all these stations, a virtual community, combined with a pocket-sized micro-power FM transmitter? You’d dial-in your favorite programming at www.freebandradio.com, and your computer would beam the signal on your selected open frequency to any standard FM radio within 100 feet. Your garden-variety boom box could literally bring a world of music into your own garden.

The power of IR did for music and news what eBay did for retail commerce: it lowered the barrier for entry. Musicians out on “the long tail” didn’t have meet Clear Channel or Wal-Mart popularity thresholds to get a world-wide audience (long tail is a term for what you see when you plot the volume of music sales by artist. U2 is on the peak at the upper left; Toast Machine is out at the lower right, on the “long tail”). Combine this global reach with the search and collaborative filtering power of “Web 2.0”, and the radio business is revolutionized. For evidence, see my “dial” idea at www.live365.com (they beat me to it.)

All of this beautiful music will go mute, however, if the regulations proposed by the Copyright Royalty Board are allowed to take effect as planned on July 18. Unless Congress passes the Internet Radio Equality Act, royalty fee increases of 300 percent to 1,200 percent will kill Internet radio as we know it. The fee increase will benefit only the big labels and established artists, as the long-tail artists depend on IR to build their audiences. Congressmember Woolsey is a co-sponsor of IREA, but Senator Feinstein, a critical vote, needs to be swayed. Call her Washington office today, at (202) 224-3841. IR is in the ER; we need to save it.

(Bruce Hagen is a program manager for a digital entertainment media company, vice president of the non-profit Petaluma Phoenix Center and a member of Petaluma Green Lane and Friends of Lafferty Park. His e-mail address is [email protected]. All of his columns are on his Web site, www.bruce-hagen.com)

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