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rileydog22
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Posted: May 12 2007 at 00:58 |
If you have 79 minutes of solid material, a 79 minute album is great. If you have 40 minutes of solid material, a 40 minute album is great. If you have 20 minutes of solid material, by all means a 20 minute EP is great. Album length doesn't matter so long as the music is good.
On a related note, why do people get so harsh on albums about a "filler" track? There's two possibilities: 1. You can't stand the song; you skip it. No problem for you at all. 2. You like it to some extent. It increases your enjoyment of the album.
Either way, you the album doesn't get worse for the inclusion of a weak track.
Edited by rileydog22 - May 12 2007 at 01:00
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chamberry
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Posted: May 12 2007 at 00:03 |
I'm with the majority here. I like shorter albums (short IMO are 50 minutes and lower). 60 minute are gladly welcomed too, but 70 and 80 minute albums need to have better material to keep me tuned in.
An example is Oceanzise - Effloresce. A wonderful album, but it's too long and quickly looses its interest after the 60 minute mark.
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memowakeman
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 23:33 |
If you ask me, i prefer those 40 - 50 minute albums, but anyway i think that no matter the lenght, an album is good if it keeps you hooked the whole time, i love very short albums like Goblin`s Profondo Rosso, or Amarok by Oldfield which is very long.
So surely there are great and horrible 79 minute albums.
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King of Loss
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 22:42 |
I don't care, but the Tangent's album last year was grand, along with some other albums.
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billbuckner
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 22:41 |
45 minutes is the ideal length for a non-concept album.
Live albums, however, are best when in a triple-CD digipack.
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greenback
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 20:51 |
the best ultra long album:
iq - subterranea
Edited by greenback - May 11 2007 at 20:52
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con safo
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 20:28 |
I personally find 79 minute albums too long, with a few exceptions. I usually like to listen to my cd's on the way to work, or walking to whereever i need to be, and rarely do i ever finish a 79 minute album, i most of the time listen in sections, or one part of the album is rarely listened to.
I think 40-60 minutes is just fine for an album
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Witchwoodhermit
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 19:23 |
Being born into the vinyl generation, my ears are well tuned to 45 minutes of music.
Anything else just seems overdone.
When it comes to double albums, I set aside that amount of time. Otherwise I may play just one disc, or not at all.
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coleio
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:28 |
Very wise, with that I take my leave
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The Hemulen
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:26 |
coleio wrote:
Or not, I just can't be arsed through tiredness to explain myself, resulting in me 'babbling'.
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I find it's best to refrain from posting in a thread if you can't be arsed to explain yourself. It's asking for trouble, really.
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coleio
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:23 |
Or not, I just can't be arsed through tiredness to explain myself, resulting in me 'babbling'.
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The T
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:22 |
Rush albums were never longer than 38 minutes in the 70's-early 80's, and even those albums (bar a couple exceptions) had a lot of fillers (IMHO).
Length is no problem when the quality goes with it... But I've heard too many 75+ cds that really are too long....
If there's one "pretentious" thing about prog it's the length of many of today's (mostly) albums....
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laplace
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:21 |
coleio wrote:
My response to your liking of 35 minute albums was ineffable, explaining my lack of rationale.
It isn't really concise, just short I think it would always feel it was missing something, especially in prog. I mean there are probably Girls Aloud albums that are longer than that...
I had finished listening to Dream Theaters new album today, and that's over an hour long and I felt it was short, maybe it's just me...
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So you're not actually making examples of bad albums that last less than forty minutes, but incredibly, just stating that short albums are awful? At least if you'd stated an opinion such as "artists don't have sufficient time to vary their themes over such a short duration" or even "CDs that hold less than an hour's worth of music are overpriced" I'd care, but either way, the band themselves decided on the album's length so it's a complete work of art as given. So as it is... you're babbling, man, snap out of it. =P
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coleio
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:19 |
I guess I'm too used to progressive metal...
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The Hemulen
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:18 |
I'm with laplace here, colelo. What on earth is un-proggy about listening to 35-45 minute albums? With only a handful exceptions that is the amount of music you could comfortably FIT on an LP. Anything more than that and you were indeed into double-album territory.
Gentle Giant never really went over 40 minutes on their studio releases and they were all the better for it. Every note MATTERED.
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Atkingani
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:17 |
Well, let's keep the discussion CIVIL or the thread will be spoiled forever. Thanks!
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coleio
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:16 |
My response to your liking of 35 minute albums was ineffable, explaining my lack of rationale.
It isn't really concise, just short I think it would always feel it was missing something, especially in prog. I mean there are probably Girls Aloud albums that are longer than that...
I had finished listening to Dream Theaters new album today, and that's over an hour long and I felt it was short, maybe it's just me...
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darkmatter
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:16 |
It depends on the quality of the album. I love listening to DT's Scenes from a Memory, but I find Ayreon's The Human Equation difficult to sit through, even though it is good (I know, it's over 100 minutes).
I was just listening to dredg's Leitmotif while driving. And that's roughly 47 minutes (the 17 minutes of the last song don't count to me). But I find it to be a wonderful album to listen to.
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laplace
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:14 |
Well, when your whole case is "Awful", it's ample. ;P What's so awful about concise albums, as you'd put it?
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coleio
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Posted: May 11 2007 at 18:12 |
Wow the epitome of an inteliigent reply...
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