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jikai55 
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 Posted: March 29 2007 at 17:29 |
 XTChuck wrote:
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If "Roger Waters was Pink Floyd", why is his solo work less interesting than his work with Pink Floyd?
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Good question. I don't enjoy any of the "Radio KAOS" or "The Pros and Cons..." material nearly as well. Actually, I can't handle "The Final Cut" either but, for all intents and purposes, that was a Roger Waters solo record also. I think he got too power hungry toward the end of his Pink Floyd days and the band's music suffered. Why do you think Rick Wright quit? |
Rick Wright didn't quit. He was kicked out, as explained in Nick Mason's book.
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 14:46 |
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Though that may be largely true, it's the same as saying John Lennon was the Beatles or Pete Townsend was the Who; though debatably accurate it ignores others' contributions that made the music distincly what it was.. and that's what a great band really is, that rare coming together of people who share a musical vision and are able to add to that vision in a way irreplacable by another.
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Couldn't have said it better myself 
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As much as I worship Waters work in Floyd and think that he was THE man and that Floyd should have call it a quite wehn he left... I prefer Dark side and WYWH to Animals and the Wall, so... I guess it turned out for the best. Let Gilmour win some battles, ultimatly you won the war Roger... man, I am cheesy!
Edited by el böthy - March 29 2007 at 14:23
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 13:07 |
I think we have to agree that at least 75% of Pink Floyd's sound is pure Roger as he was the agenda setter. BUT there band would have been completely different without Gilmour & to a lesser extent Wright & Mason. They probably just got lucky to be in a band driven by Waters genius & Gilmours sound.
If Roger had taken over complete control earlier then the band would have imploded a lot sooner and we would have got more of the unsatisfying Pros & Cons and Radio Kaos stuff.
Similarly the post Roger PF has no where near the depth of full band. It's the chemistry and conflict that makes it work so well.
Personally my favorites are Animal, WYWH, DSOTM & Ummagumma (Live) in that order.
So I'm a lot happier that they didn't get 'drier' sooner.
I can't listen to the Final Cut but parts of the Wall an stellar, Comfortably Numb, Hey You, Run Like Hell
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 12:40 |
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Rick Wright didn't quit. He was fired. By... well... you guessed: Roger Water.
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 12:37 |
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 yes, or 'Another Brick.. Pt 2'
ahh, but what wonderful shrieking "HOW CAN YOU HAVE ANY PUDDING IF YA DONT EAT YER MEAT?!"
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STAND STILL LADDIE!!!!
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 12:33 |
XTChuck wrote:
A B Negative wrote:
If "Roger Waters was Pink Floyd", why is his solo work less interesting than his work with Pink Floyd?
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Good question. I don't enjoy any of the "Radio KAOS" or "The Pros and Cons..." material nearly as well. Actually, I can't handle "The Final Cut" either but, for all intents and purposes, that was a Roger Waters solo record also. I think he got too power hungry toward the end of his Pink Floyd days and the band's music suffered. Why do you think Rick Wright quit? |
''AMUSED TO DEATH''  holds its own against everything else PF has released
I agree ''Radio Kaos'' is a mixed bag!
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XTChuck
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 11:21 |
A B Negative wrote:
If "Roger Waters was Pink Floyd", why is his solo work less interesting than his work with Pink Floyd?
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Good question. I don't enjoy any of the "Radio KAOS" or "The Pros and Cons..." material nearly as well. Actually, I can't handle "The Final Cut" either but, for all intents and purposes, that was a Roger Waters solo record also. I think he got too power hungry toward the end of his Pink Floyd days and the band's music suffered. Why do you think Rick Wright quit?
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 10:37 |
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think you're right, and also: GILMOUR+WRIGHT+MASON+A DOZEN HIRED MUSICIANS=GILMOUR+WRIGHT+MASON+A DOZEN HIRED MUSICIANS
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 08:45 |
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WATERS+GILMOUR+WRIGHT+MASON(+BARRETT) = PINK FLOYD!!!!!
WATERS+CLAPTON or BECK or somethin' else = ROGER WATERS....
THAT'S MY OPINION!!!
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 08:43 |
yes, or 'Another Brick.. Pt 2'
ahh, but what wonderful shrieking "HOW CAN YOU HAVE ANY PUDDING IF YA DONT EAT YER MEAT?!"
Edited by Atavachron - March 29 2007 at 08:43
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 08:35 |
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 08:24 |
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Not a bad musical career for someone who is said to be tone deaf. |
That explains The Wall (one of my favorite records BTW)
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 08:21 |
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Waters contribution to the Floyd was huge; to their sound, their concepts and the whole spirit of what Floyd was percieved to be about by the record buying public - not just fans. I heard them described in a documentary once as 'The spokesmen for the dissapointed' ...
I do believe there was a good balance going on between what Waters contributed and what Gilmour contributed. Floyd would not have been the force, in rock music, they were without Gilmours guitar playing, and he was technically a better singer than Waters - so was Wright! - but you only have to listen to 'Dogs' to realise that Waters had a streak of cold conceptual genius that was vital to the Floyd formula.
I much prefer a 'dry' Pink Floyd, and I have always preferred 'Animals' to 'DSOTM' or 'WYWH' As to whether the band would have split sooner had Waters gained complete control...Yes, I dont doubt it for a moment. The guy is an utter psycho, and a very clever and entertaining one at that.
Not a bad musical career for someone who is said to be tone deaf.
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 08:15 |
Forgot to answer about the Moody Blues/PINK Floyd ''rivalry''
There is no match as i see the Moody Blues as a pop/ singles band with a mellotron. I like them, good songs, some very dull ones as well, nice arrangements but nothing revolutionary ( no SAUCERFUL, AHM, MEDDLE ,DSOTM or the WALL)
But i think the MOODIES were in a way groundbreaking with their first album ''DAYS OF FUTURE PASSED'' coming out in 1967 and is considered by many the first ''prog'' album released. And how cannot we like ''nights in white satin''
But i'll take AHM on my island desert |
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 08:07 |
Agreed!!!!!
We may or may not like Roger Waters persona, but that has nothing to do with the fact he is Pink Floyd.
There is no debate, as we just have to look at the writings credits throughout their carreers to see who is the main composer and spirit..
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 07:54 |
And what is the big problem with The Final Cut? I found it very interesting and is my second favorite Pink Floyd album.
You don´t like the self-indulgency of Roger Waters?
I do.
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 07:19 |
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with every respect, i think you are exadurating.. neither Mason nor Wright were brilliant musicians
I didn't say they were.. they were, of course, but I didn't say that.
they just had their own distinct sound that if it hadn't been, PF would sound merely different, not inferior..
No way of knowing.
i may accept that Gilmour contributed the most to PF's sound but he composed like only 5% of PF classics...
That may be an inaccurate statement. |
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 07:07 |
Atavachron wrote:
toolis wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
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rare coming together of people who share a musical vision and are able to add to that vision in a way irreplacable by another.
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this is where we disagree... it was Roger's vision and only his... concepts such as Animals and The Wall were 99% his.. i'll admit though that PF's sound wouldn't be the same if it hadn't been the rest musicians, they wouldn't have sounded the same but i don't think it would have made that much of a difference... |
Ohh... big difference. One person's presence, contributions, their very being, makes a huge (though oft unnoticed) difference. If all three of the other members had been different individuals, we might not even be having this discussion.
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with every respect, i think you are exadurating.. neither Mason nor Wright were brilliant musicians, they just had their own distinct sound that if it hadn't been, PF would sound merely different, not inferior..
i may accept that Gilmour contributed the most to PF's sound but he composed like only 5% of PF classics...
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sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
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Posted: March 29 2007 at 06:53 |
No. Roger Waters, Rick Wright, Nick Mason and David Gilmour / Syd Barrett were Pink Floyd.
If "Roger Waters was Pink Floyd", why is his solo work less interesting than his work with Pink Floyd?
To get back to the point, if DSOTM were a "drier" album, it would probably not have been the springboard to worldwide fame it turned out to be. A lot of its original popularity was because of its multi-layered nature, coinciding with the rise in popularity of hi-fi systems. I'd probably enjoy a "drier" DSOTM more if the yodelling and caterwauling were removed. 
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