1973

King Crimsom album.

Would of voted for octopus but its the wrong year

Swinton MCR wrote:

Yes - but - I have successfully produced music (of that ilk) using a Moog Rogue and a modern keyboard as a Sequencer (with midi) - I can happily design a complicated synth riff - play it (very slow with one finger) then speed it up using the sequencer....No skill required (other than that of the computers I work with....

Swinton.

I have a Moog 'Rogue' too as it happens..Have you had it modded or used a midi covertor?without looking i think it used S-trig ..well before Midi..

Modern sequencer suck actually as they don't work like or sound like the old Analouge step sequencer ie: Moog etc used...I've tried to get the same effect with a Moog 'Source' synth, which has an onboard digital Sequencer but is no way convincing.

I'm presently in the middle of restoring an old ARP '2600' as Tony Banks used to use as you know but this is a later black/Orange version...Fingers crossed i've managed to locate the matching outboard sequencer to it.

I can post you some pics when it's complete if you wish.

Living sin.

The biggest indictment of the technical deficiency is the use of sequencers - because Wright didn'y have the skill to produce the synthesizer effect in real-time........

Just listen to the Synth in Cinema Show / Firth of Fifth - what in DSOTM can equal that ???

Swinton this is a genuine responce..i'd respect a genuine none skity responce too.

Come on Swinton a totally different style of band than Genesis.....Tony Banks was a dedicated keyboard player & had an avid intrest in the Synths available at the time anyway ..Quite an old fashion type of player too.

At a guess i recon Richard Wright would have been happy to just to plod along with the basics Organ & a basic synths lines.It was Roger who always wanted to push the band way ahead..He was the ones with the EMS synths on 'Dark side'...It would have been virtually impossible to make the effects without the inbuild sequencer don't you think.

Next i can see it coming...Keith Emerson with his Moog Modular step sequencers in with the '72 'Trilogy' release is swarming in Sequencer patterns....I thibk Keith would have been quite capable of playing without the electronic spare hand....& it was '72' as well.If the track required the pattern so be it,nothing to do with capability.

Personal tastes are such a strange commodity... because I can't understand anyone really loving SEPTP...  Every time I listen to it , it bores me to death.  The only decent song off it is "I Know What I Like"...

Swinton wrote a couple weeks ago:

How CAN a Genesis fan* say that DSOTM is BETTER than SEBTP (that just Beggars belief) - Firth of fifth and Cinema show is better than ANYTHING floyd ever wrote (IMHO).

I answer this question, because I'm the Genesis fan who voted for DSOTM and didn't readthe question before.

I'm a Genesis fan, but even when SEBTP has great songs like Dancing with the Moonlit Night, Cinema Show and Firth of Fifth has also average traks (for Genesis quality) like Battle for the Epping Forest (Great vocal work but nothing else) and Aisle of Plenty (Which IMHO is a filler).

Plus one piece of crap (sorry, but I'm trying to be honest) like More Fool Me and a bad and poppy track like I Know What I Like.

But the main reason is because SEBTP doesn't have the dark a mysterious atmosphere that was their trademark, or at least it's weaker.

On the other hand, I find DSOTM a solid album from start to end with a strong concept, great atmospheres, excellent musicians at their peak and a magnifiscent production.

Karn Evil 9 wrote:

So your saying the ''Musical box'' & ''harold the barrel'' from  NC is a better track than say ''Infinite space'' from 'Tarkus'???

YES!!!!

Iván