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Certif1ed
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frosty
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 17:45 |
Fish of course should've been there, but what about Geoff Mann of Twelfth Night.
Sequences, We Are Sane, Creepshow, The Collector... the list goes on.
Very sadly missed.
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Lunarscape
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Joined: September 19 2004
Location: Brazil
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Points: 374
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 16:39 |
gdub411 wrote:
Roger Waters is SO over-rated.
Wish You Were Here...Oh wah...I miss Syd
The Wall...Oh wah...my daddy died and I still miss Syd
The Final Cut...oh wah...let me tell you some more about my daddy dieing.
Peter Gabriel is the best on this list, but he doesn't compare to Fish.
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Dont take this ill up.....but just wait untill your dad dies.......
Lunar
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Music Is The Soul Bird That Flies In The Immense Heart Of The Listener . . .
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Lunarscape
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 16:36 |
My vote went to Roger Waters, and even if you put in another 100 lyric writers, it'll still be Waters. Mr. Waters appeal to "tell it like it is" with the emotional/psychological in depth touch is yes to be surpassed. His lyrics seduces audiences and fans for over 30 years now and he`s still going at it. Brain Damage, Eclipse, Wish You Were Here, Dogs, Mother, Is There Anybody Out There, Nobody Home, Comfortbly Numb, South Hampton Dock, Final Cut, Every Strangers Eyes, 4:37am, 5:01am, Home, Four Minutes, The Tide Is Turning, Perfect Sense II, Watching TV, Its a Miracle, Amused To Death, Folded Flags, Towers Of Faith, To Kill a Child and Leaving Beiruth....
Not only do we have the straight to the face lyrics, the thoughts of the common daily hard working middle class dude, but also geopolitical points of view; on the cold war and on the post-cold war. We have the constant fear of "loosing it" and be institutionalized !
- Do you remember me how we used to be helpless, happy and blind ?
- Sunk without hope, in the haze of dope and cheap vine.
- Now in your little white room, with no windows and three square sedations a day.
- You plea to the Doctor who is running the show, Please take all theses men away and leave me alone.
One of the things I keep asking myself is why does Roger Waters have this huge appeal among Prog Rock die hard fans ? His music is not that prog after all. His side men are allways recruted from the Rythm and Blues ranks (Drummers, backing, vocals are mostly from former Tina Turner line-ups). His guitar players are proeminently blues influenced. Clapton, Beck and Guilmore. Is it the "easy to digest" tunes and "hard to swallow" lyrics that does the magic ?
- Is my English clear enough to understand ? -
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Lunar
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Music Is The Soul Bird That Flies In The Immense Heart Of The Listener . . .
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Reed Lover
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Joined: July 16 2004
Location: Sao Tome and Pr
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 16:36 |
Vegetableman wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
Roger Waters is SO over-rated.
Wish You Were Here...Oh wah...I miss Syd
The Wall...Oh wah...my daddy died and I still miss Syd
The Final Cut...oh wah...let me tell you some more about my daddy dieing.
Peter Gabriel is the best on this list, but he doesn't compare to Fish.
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One (two counting both of them) song on WYWH was about Syd.... One song of the wall has anything to do about his Dad..... one song on the Final Cut has anything to do about his dad....
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Which just goes to show that not everybody understands the concept behind the songs/lyrics!
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Cinema
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 25 2004
Location: United States
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Points: 493
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 16:35 |
Trotsky wrote:
Cinema wrote:
What, no Jon Anderson? He's one of the best there's ever
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"So soon the evening comes
And with it runs the aching fear of hate
Could someone still remain
Who thinks he still could gain by escaping fate?
It’s much too late
Don’t underrate
Appreciate"
What next? "Kiss me kate", "Constipate" or "Procreate"?
I seriously love Yes and some of the lyrics are cool ... like Close To
The Edge and the Your Move part of I've Seen All Good People ... but
they often sail over my head too ... or maybe JA just did the cosmic
thing so often that it eventually became too much (in the same way
Ronnie James Dio overdid his references to chains/wheels/stars/rainbows
)
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Trotsky, sure JA penned some bum lyrics -- who among the greats
haven't whipped up a dud or two during their career? -- but for the
most part JA is definitely one of the most creative, original, and
provoactive lyricists in the business. His lyrics greatly contributed to the
personality we know as Yes.
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Vegetableman
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Joined: August 27 2004
Location: United States
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Points: 242
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 16:34 |
gdub411 wrote:
Roger Waters is SO over-rated.
Wish You Were Here...Oh wah...I miss Syd
The Wall...Oh wah...my daddy died and I still miss Syd
The Final Cut...oh wah...let me tell you some more about my daddy dieing.
Peter Gabriel is the best on this list, but he doesn't compare to Fish.
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One (two counting both of them) song on WYWH was about Syd.... One song of the wall has anything to do about his Dad..... one song on the Final Cut has anything to do about his dad....
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"Mister Fripp, your music is quite different than everything else out there. In one word, how would you describe it?"
"Progressive.... yeah, that's it..."
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Man Overboard
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Joined: November 07 2004
Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 16:31 |
Robert Fripp? Solo outings aside, his lyrics for King Crimson total to this line:
"Cigarettes and ice cream; figurines of the Virgin Mary!"
...was that line alone enough to have him included while excluding the likes of Anderson(s), Hammill, Livgren, and Stolt ()?
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Cluster One
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Joined: February 03 2005
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 16:27 |
Well from that list (even though it excludes both the Ian and Jon
Anderson) I voted for Gabriel, if only because he had less votes than
Peart and Waters... (my other two probable selections).
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Marmalade...I like marmalade.
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tuxon
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Joined: September 21 2004
Location: plugged-in
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 16:08 |
gdub411 wrote:
Roger Waters is SO over-rated.
Wish You Were Here...Oh wah...I miss Syd
The Wall...Oh wah...my daddy died and I still miss Syd
The Final Cut...oh wah...let me tell you some more about my daddy dieing.
Peter Gabriel is the best on this list, but he doesn't compare to Fish.
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You missed Radio K.A.O.S. Dad?? Is It Really You??
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I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT
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Cesar Inca
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 16:06 |
WHERE ARE IAN ANDERSON, PETER NICHOLLS & PETER HAMMILL? WHAT KIND OF LYRICISTS' POLL DARES NOT INCLUDE THEM?
Edited by Cesar Inca
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gdub411
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Joined: August 24 2004
Location: United States
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 15:49 |
Roger Waters is SO over-rated.
Wish You Were Here...Oh wah...I miss Syd
The Wall...Oh wah...my daddy died and I still miss Syd
The Final Cut...oh wah...let me tell you some more about my daddy dieing.
Peter Gabriel is the best on this list, but he doesn't compare to Fish.
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JrKASperov
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 15:45 |
Peter Hammill:
'prematurely curtailed, by the brain'
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Epic.
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Spartacus
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 14:43 |
Roger Waters
His narrative style is the most duplicated in prog but the hardest to equal. Narrative either connects or it does not. Waters understood how to write in a clear and emotional way but he always left just enough for the imagination, unlike the Neil Morse, Arena, and DT. Just listen to Snow by SB and then listen to the Final Cut, then you will understand the difference between telling a story and writing a real narrative piece of art.
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Trotsky
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Joined: October 25 2004
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 14:31 |
Cinema wrote:
What, no Jon Anderson? He's one of the best there's ever been. |
"So soon the evening comes
And with it runs the aching fear of hate
Could someone still remain
Who thinks he still could gain by escaping fate?
It’s much too late
Don’t underrate
Appreciate"
What next? "Kiss me kate", "Constipate" or "Procreate"?
I seriously love Yes and some of the lyrics are cool ... like Close To
The Edge and the Your Move part of I've Seen All Good People ... but
they often sail over my head too ... or maybe JA just did the cosmic
thing so often that it eventually became too much (in the same way
Ronnie James Dio overdid his references to chains/wheels/stars/rainbows
)
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"Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.”
"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."
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scrivener
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Joined: February 07 2005
Location: United States
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Points: 27
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 14:07 |
Can't argue with most of the positions stated here, but would add for consideration Doug Ott of Enchant and Kerry Livgren of Kansas. Also, a sentimental favorite: Dennis deYoung and Tommy Shaw of Styx.
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Reading maketh a full man; conference a ready man; and writing an exact man. --- Francis Bacon
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Fragile
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Joined: June 27 2004
Location: Scotland
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 13:53 |
Cygnus, you may have forgotten the great Jon Anderson, but you have also forgotten the great Peter Hammill, which totally devalues your poll as both, especially Hammill of today and Anderson of Yesterday are contenders in this field. But my favourite now is most definitely the 'Fish Man' his talent has been terribly ignored over the last decade. So much so that he has decided to call it quits - unconfirmed as yet - but what a loss to the music scene. He cannot be allowed to simply vanish. Theres a new thread in this somewhere.
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mirco
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 13:44 |
Ian Anderson, for sure. And wath about italians? Traditionally, italians are very good songwriters, and prog ones aren't an exception.
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Please forgive me for my crappy english!
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Garion81
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Joined: May 22 2004
Location: So Cal, USA
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 13:17 |
What No David Lee Roth?
"I like the Simple Life It's so Simple"
Ooops wrong forum.
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"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
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Cinema
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 25 2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 493
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Posted: February 09 2005 at 13:15 |
What, no Jon Anderson? He's one of the best there's ever been.
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