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Poll Question: Which version of the Knife do YOU like?
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Can't really decide on this one. Tie.

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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I am really surprised the rather half-baked and energy-lacking studio version seems to be winning at the moment (though the margin by which the studio version leads is by no means decisive yet). Hackett's solo is harmonically far more interesting than that of Philips and much more fitting for the song. the few acoustical gimmicks of the studio version are interesting, but not enough to make me vote for it. the live version of "The Knife" is the closest Genesis ever came to metal, by the way.
I would have expected the live version to be a clear winner. my vote definitely goes to it. too bad there are not more votes with explanations though
 
I am also suprised by the vote. I thought everyone would think the live version far superior. For me its no contest......LIve hands down. Its more exciting, more edgy, better guitar...better evrything really. It bowls along rather than the studio version "walk in the park".

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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I am really surprised the rather half-baked and energy-lacking studio version seems to be winning at the moment (though the margin by which the studio version leads is by no means decisive yet). Hackett's solo is harmonically far more interesting than that of Philips and much more fitting for the song. the few acoustical gimmicks of the studio version are interesting, but not enough to make me vote for it. the live version of "The Knife" is the closest Genesis ever came to metal, by the way.
I would have expected the live version to be a clear winner. my vote definitely goes to it. too bad there are not more votes with explanations though
 
I am also suprised by the vote. I thought everyone would think the live version far superior. For me its no contest......LIve hands down. Its more exciting, more edgy, better guitar...better evrything really. It bowls along rather than the studio version "walk in the park".

just x-ed that day in my calendar. SnowDog and I are of the same opinion!!!!Wink


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I agree with erik, Hackett was (IMO) the man. I had always thought that he was the one that promoted extensive use of the Mellotron. If you listen to his solo work sounds more like the classic Genesis than any others. And look what happened to Genesis after he left.
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I am really surprised the rather half-baked and energy-lacking studio version seems to be winning at the moment (though the margin by which the studio version leads is by no means decisive yet). Hackett's solo is harmonically far more interesting than that of Philips and much more fitting for the song. the few acoustical gimmicks of the studio version are interesting, but not enough to make me vote for it. the live version of "The Knife" is the closest Genesis ever came to metal, by the way.
I would have expected the live version to be a clear winner. my vote definitely goes to it. too bad there are not more votes with explanations though
 
I am also suprised by the vote. I thought everyone would think the live version far superior. For me its no contest......LIve hands down. Its more exciting, more edgy, better guitar...better evrything really. It bowls along rather than the studio version "walk in the park".


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I am really surprised the rather half-baked and energy-lacking studio version seems to be winning at the moment (though the margin by which the studio version leads is by no means decisive yet). Hackett's solo is harmonically far more interesting than that of Philips and much more fitting for the song. the few acoustical gimmicks of the studio version are interesting, but not enough to make me vote for it. the live version of "The Knife" is the closest Genesis ever came to metal, by the way.
I would have expected the live version to be a clear winner. my vote definitely goes to it. too bad there are not more votes with explanations though


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the original version of trespass
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In the early Seventies Genesis even used the engine of a dust cleaner when their Mellotron went broke on stage just before the show LOL !
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Originally posted by salmacis salmacis wrote:

Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Did Hackett urge the others to buy Genesis a Mellotron, Salmacis? Now I will love Hackett even more than I did Heart Hug!! And I forgive you about your Trespass opinion Wink ...!
 
Well, they had used one before of course on 'Stagnation' and 'Visions Of Angels', but I imagine that belonged to the studio or was borrowed. I believe it was Hackett that instigated the band's increased usage of one, and they actually bought the Mark II model from King Crimson!
 
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Salmacis, we can ask Pierreolivier about that, he is the #1 Mellotron connaisseur on Prog Archives Thumbs%20Up

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Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Did Hackett urge the others to buy Genesis a Mellotron, Salmacis? Now I will love Hackett even more than I did Heart Hug!! And I forgive you about your Trespass opinion Wink ...!
 
Well, they had used one before of course on 'Stagnation' and 'Visions Of Angels', but I imagine that belonged to the studio or was borrowed. I believe it was Hackett that instigated the band's increased usage of one, and they actually bought the Mark II model from King Crimson!


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they also played it on the DUKE-tour, and that wasn't too bad, actually.
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Did Hackett urge the others to buy Genesis a Mellotron, Salmacis? Now I will love Hackett even more than I did Heart Hug!! And I forgive you about your Trespass opinion Wink ...!
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I agree with Erik; it's widely perceived that Hackett had the biggest contribution to the band's more symphonic sound, he urged them to buy a mellotron, for example. That symphonic grandeur left with him, despite ATTWT and Duke still being excellent albums.

However, I still prefer the Trespass version. I think Anthony Phillips' guitar solo is brilliant and makes me forgive the weak drumming of John Mayhew.
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For me the live version rules and always will.
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Genesis Live is the album that took me into progrock and I am very grateful to Steve Hackett because of his fiery and powerful contribution: especially that mindblowing, great build-up solo is superior to Anthony Phillips his effort. In my opinion Hackett (who said to be Fripp inspired) was very important to turn Genesis into a progrock band with an own identity and a more 'rocky feel'.
During the The Musical Box (Genesis tribute band) concert I witnessed last month, The Knife was one of the highlights, so powerful, unique and every member has its creative contribution (like Peter Gabriel his emotion) to this song. A big hand for The Knife Live Clap


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Voted for Live.  Collins is better than - who is that drummer again?  And, Hackett surpasses Anthony Phillips hands down....
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The original studio performance is majesticThumbs%20Up.
I find the live version slightly inferior because Gabriel overdoes the vibrato and it doesn't suit Collins jazzier style IMO.
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Uh, aside from Bursting Out, of course...



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