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Atavachron 
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 Posted: February 01 2007 at 20:44 |
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Interesting, but I strongly disagree about Zep not being genuinely innovative-- sometimes it's forgotten what an astoundingly deep impact the first two albums had. Remeber, both Zep 1 and 2 came out in 1969, and they weren't like anything ever heard before-- sure Page took from everyone (especially Hendrix, Jeff Beck & Rod Stewart, CSN, etc.), but the result was a masterful, concentrated version of the rock of the 60s. They showed what could be done with real musicianship and form before most prog bands had developed a style.
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Posted: February 01 2007 at 20:33 |
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depends what you think 'Prog' is. If you think it a term to decribe genuinly innovative music then they certainly wouldnt be there, but then again, in my opinion, 99% of so called 'prog' bands aren't in the slightest bit innovative and to me and many others 'prog' just describes the more self-indulgent bands of the 70s. and Led Zep would certainly be at home in that catagory.
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Posted: February 01 2007 at 20:19 |
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Zep was special because of how much they grew and changed over the eleven and a half years they were together. They progressed as artists more than any other band in their family of heavy blues. Also I can tell you [having heard well over a hundred live performances of theirs spanning late 1968 as the 'New Yardbirds' for a short time, through the Knebworth shows in 1979] that they were one of the most progressive rock bands in the world.
However; Prog rock? No, not at all, and micky is correct in suggesting that Zep got much more from Prog than Prog got from Zep. Page and Jones were seasoned studio men when they met, and Bonham and Plant had been professionally gigging for years. They all knew how to play almost anything; country, folk, jazz, reggae, whatever was called for. That's why Zep was doing such varied material by 1973 ...progressive, not Prog.
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Posted: February 01 2007 at 19:59 |
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I don't consider Led Zeppelin to be a prog band, they just used prog elements on their later days, an example of this might be "Carouselambra" . I think their inclusion in this site fits more than many bands listed that have nothing to do with prog rock!!!, mostly pure metal bands that I won't name.
You can't talk about classic rock without talking about Led Zep. They are on the same level of Yes, KC and all the classic rock bands you want to name.!
is there anyone that constantly visit Prog Archives who doesn't like Led Zep?
-Peace
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Tony R
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Posted: February 01 2007 at 19:55 |
....a Prog Band influenced by Led Zep..........Rush perchance?
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Posted: February 01 2007 at 19:50 |
I'm glad you have posted a topic on "my beloved Led Zep".
As far as I am concerned, the influence of Led Zep on prog music is close to zero (although I mentioned in my review for "Heavy Horses" - Tull 1978 that "No Lullaby" seriously reminds me of "Tea For One" from Led Zep (Presence, 1976). Have a try and listen to both tracks one after the other and you will be amazed.
To go on with these two bands, maybe that a song like "Kashmir" might have haunted Ian while writing "Roots To Branches" (the album) but I'm not quite sure.
Apart from these little details I can't think of a prog band who can claim any Led Zep influence upon their work.
When I started to love Led Zep (December 1970), I can tell you : NO ONE ever mention the slightest link with prog music. They were the archetype of heavy and hard rock. OK, they will have wonderful acoustic songs (mainly on Led Zep III (critics will violently react to this). These will be their trade mark during concerts. Page/Plant sitting on the edge of the stage to perform "Tangerine", "That's The Way", "The Battle..." or "Going To California".
But writing acoustic songs does not mean you write prog songs, right ?
About Stairway. First of all, it is deeply inspired (to say the least) from the song "Taurus" performed by the band Spirit (I'm listening to it while I write).
Randy California (the songwriter for Spirit) was often asked about it in interviews, to which he typically responded that he did not consider the "Stairway" intro to be a rip-off, but a simply a "reworking" of his song (he is very gentle).
Led Zeppelin was the opening act for Spirit's 1968 tour but nobody in Led Zep has ever cited influence from the track. (these info's are available on Wikipedia if you want to double -check).
Having said that, yes "Stairway" is a great moment in the rock music. Is it prog ?
Again, back to 1971, I have never read that it was a prog song. Does a song turned into prog as time passes by ? (if so maybe that "Paranoïd" will be called a prog song in 2214) !
If you listen carefully to it, it's intro is quite close to what prog could have delivered.
The last part of the song is hard-rocking alright, so is a band called prog because he produced a few songs related to this genre ?
Is Genesis a hard rock band because they released "The Knife" and "The Return Of The Giant Hogweed" ?
Sorry to have been rather long (but Micky knows that I prefer poster than post-it).
Cheers.
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Posted: February 01 2007 at 19:25 |
 Tony R wrote:
Kid-A wrote:
I love Led Zeppelin but their inclusion is rediculous. They are blues-rock and sometimes folk-rock.
This is prog-archives not thingswhichinspiredprog-archives so I see no reason for them to be included. |
so if you were to set up a database about the American War Of Independance
for example, you would only have information directly concerning the
timeline of the course of the "war" and nothing about what caused it?
C'mon.....  |
thank you Tony. You are dead on... let me add to that
anology... and bring up... not only what caused it... but what
happened as a result of it. (not that I'm now agreeing with the
decision hahah. .but it does have some logic hahaha). Zeppelin's progression from.. let's face it ..ripping off blues artists (and poor Jake Holmes  )
to actually creating songs that have some intrinsic artistic
aspirations was not done in a vacuum.. they toured with Tull.. were
friends of and and label mates of Yes. They saw the winds of the
musical world ..and sailed upon them.
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Posted: February 01 2007 at 19:17 |
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Led Zeppelin had a huge impact on the rock world in general. They influenced a lot of bands, including my favorite - Rush.
They had proggy moments as well. The Battle of Evermore. In the Light. A lot of their music was just great rock and roll.
I heard Geddy Lee state in an interview on XM radio that Led Zeppelin was progressive to a degree.
I don't know. I for one am glad they are here.
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Tony R
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Posted: February 01 2007 at 18:58 |
Kid-A wrote:
I love Led Zeppelin but their inclusion is rediculous. They are blues-rock and sometimes folk-rock.
This is prog-archives not thingswhichinspiredprog-archives so I see no reason for them to be included. |
so if you were to set up a database about the American War Of Independance for example, you would only have information directly concerning the timeline of the course of the "war" and nothing about what caused it?
C'mon.....
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Posted: February 01 2007 at 18:52 |
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read first.. then answer if you wish... I didn't ask if they should be included... that has been discussed enough.
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Kid-A
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Posted: February 01 2007 at 18:47 |
I love Led Zeppelin but their inclusion is rediculous. They are blues-rock and sometimes folk-rock.
This is prog-archives not thingswhichinspiredprog-archives so I see no reason for them to be included.
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Posted: February 01 2007 at 18:40 |
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Was strangely inspired to review LZ 'IV'today and figure,
as one of those who violently opposed their inclusion here, this thread
might be a nice idea. What are your thoughts on Zeppelin and
their prog quotient. Those who think that Zeppelin was a prog
group, I'd love to hear why. DId Zeppelin react as I've always
bellowed to the prog world around them.. or was Zeppelin's 'name'
enough for them to impact and influence prog. Expecting this thread to sink.. but hope otherwise...
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