Most contested inclusion in ProgArchives

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   I'd love to see BLACK SABBATH included and applaud the inclusion of LED ZEPPELIN and THE BEATLES.

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Mellotron Storm Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: August 27 2006 Location: The Beach Status: Offline Points: 14049	Posted: January 30 2007 at 00:13
	I'd love to see BLACK SABBATH included and applaud the inclusion of LED ZEPPELIN and THE BEATLES.
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Raff Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429	Posted: January 29 2007 at 23:49
	I can't but endorse what Jody said. The sooner forum members get into their heads that this is not their website (or even the Collaborators'), the better - I hate to be so blunt, but there are dozens of prog sites of every description on the Web, and I don't see why some people have to torture themselves by visiting a site whose policy they don't approve of. Secondly, I suggest you check other major prog websites (Sea of Tranquillity, ProgressiveEars, ProgGnosis, to name but a few) to realise that they are far more inclusive than ours. Last but not least... I think CamelAppeal just nailed the issue on the head. Proto-Prog and Prog-Related DON'T mean prog - it's as simple as that. The definitions are clear enough even to people who are not native speakers of English (I'm not either):

stonebeard Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057	Posted: January 29 2007 at 23:39
	The process for inclusion is usually very thorough, especially if the band is a widely-known band to go in prog-related, like Iron Maiden. Even before the announcement to the public forum, where further debate was held even after the decision was made, the collabs in the Collab Zone debated the inclusion for weeks. It's not a light-handed approach.
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Atavachron Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65602	Posted: January 29 2007 at 23:38
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Equality 7-2521 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784	Posted: January 29 2007 at 23:37
	^ He's the last person in the world you want keeping an eye on you.
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TheProgtologist Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802	Posted: January 29 2007 at 23:34
	Nothing will be said here that hasn't been said before.All the arguments and debates have raged,over and over again. The Proto Prog and Prog Related categories are here because the good people that own this site want them here.It's as simple as that,and they aren't going away.I hate to be so blunt but that is the truth. The best thing we can do is be responsible and very selective about what artist is added to those categories,and make sure that bands added in them are very relevant to those genres.We don't take those categories lightly and believe me,there is a ton of debate and polls concerning these additions.The debate over Led Zeppelin was going on when I came to this site!! I don't really see anything constructive coming out of this thread,but I will be keeping my eye on it. Edited by TheProgtologist - January 29 2007 at 23:38


Camel_APPeal Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: April 22 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 428	Posted: January 29 2007 at 22:18
	Proto-Prog and Prog Related are not Prog, so don't worry about those inclusions Your parents are "Proto-You", and you're not your parents and they are not you. Your siblings are "You-Related", and again, you're not your sibling and they're not you. I apologize for the stupid analogies, but it's a way to see it; Another way to see it: Proto-Prog bands are bands that had some tendencies in the late 60's that eventually led to what other bands would develop and we know as Prog Rock. Prog Related are bands that aren't really prog, but have some elements that could appeal to a proghead. Edited by Camel_APPeal - January 29 2007 at 22:19
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Guests Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Guest Group	Posted: January 29 2007 at 21:56
	I am sometimes surprised at some groups inclusion in ProgArchives, and am looking at seeing what others think. Personally, I find a it BIG Stretch in saying Uriah Heep is Prog, no matter if you call it proto-prog, prog related ... whatever. I love much of their early stuff, especially until David Byron's departure, but apart from the long song on Salisbury, they are a pretty straightforward 70s hard rock group. Same with Deep Purple, once you take out the Philharmonic album & Child in Time, they are the epitome of their era's music. Ditto Led Zeppelin - I've racked my brains & gone through all their albums, Kashmir is about the only thing that is Prog, & only because of its' "eastern" tempos & lyrics. The rest of their material was a mix of rock, blues, pop, heavy, some folk. Black sabbath, well Ozzy as a prog head ??? The Beatles as Proto - Prog, no question because of their musical adventures & leadership in exploring music. But to use the dreaded abbreviation, IMHO, it's like the definition is vague enough, with enough sub-genres to allow just about any musician except for those whose output was very limited to the more basic rock genres - Ac/DC - hard rock, Sex Pistols - punk, Shania Twain - new country, George Jones - Old country, Dave Brubeck west coast jazz, Frank yankovic - polka. Get my idea ... And the final nail in the coffin is the obscure masterworks. May Blitz - competently played generic blues/jammy late 60s rock; Kin Ping Meh, which I tried to get through at least a few albums & submit reviews to improve my changes to jump up in this site's reviewer standings by reviewing groups with no reviews yet - 16 songs, & all I could see was, obscurity is sometimed deserved. \So away I go to await the tidal wave /<) or dribble :> from my fellow deep thinking progheads. Edited by pantacruelgruel - January 29 2007 at 21:58