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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2007 at 09:56
Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

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it puzzles me that people are actually allowed to give the five star rating to prog-related bands at all.

I share this opinion. I don't really see how a band that isn't Prog could be essential to Prog collection.

The simplest way around this problem would be to rename the five star rating, so that it will be something like "very, very good" instead of "essential".

Nothing wrong with the 5 star definition, but too many people are giving 5 stars to non-Prog albums, in some case saying the equivalent of "well, its not Prog, but I love it to bits so I'm giving it 5" ... quite wrong IMO
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2007 at 09:55
I agree and have said this before - prog-related bands should not be in the top 100.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2007 at 09:44
Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

it puzzles me that people are actually allowed to give the five star rating to prog-related bands at all.


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I share this opinion. I don't really see how a band that isn't Prog could be essential to Prog collection.

The simplest way around this problem would be to rename the five star rating, so that it will be something like "very, very good" instead of "essential".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2007 at 09:31
I had a feeling that people should be rating albums on their prog content rather than their overall quality. I think Iron Maiden's Powerslave is one of the great albums of our times but I'm not going to give it a five because I'm not convinced anything progressive happens until the last track.

it puzzles me that people are actually allowed to give the five star rating to prog-related bands at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2007 at 09:28
I think it would be a wonderful move to have two TOP lists, other for prog and other for Proto / Related. Even the discussion zones are separated, then why not the lists? Would it be technically challenging?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2007 at 09:24
Thank you for your well thought out, constructive post on a thorny subject, which far too often is dealt with in a gut-reaction manner. However, since I've been posting on PA I've read endless debates about that, but to all intents and purposes never really seen any suggestions as to how to go about it - starting from the problem of ratings.

Anyway, I agree that finding an album like "Made in Japan" (which of course I love to bits) in the Prog Top 100 may be puzzling, not to say misleading. I also think that people here, especially Collabs, instead of screaming to high heaven every time they see a PP or PR album in the Top 100, should be more proactive and actually start PROPOSING alternative ways to solve this not inconsiderable problem (just look at the number of dedicated threads springing up every week).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2007 at 09:13
i won't call proto prog and prog related as a genre, it's more like a term that used in this site to point out why those bands are here regardless they aren't prog bands.

maybe it's a good idea to separate them into different top 100 list
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2007 at 09:03
Ok, we are all familiar with the argument "oh, prog-related doesn't mean progressive rock, it's just influences and minor details and such". Ok, most of us agree to this point. The entire section is filled up with bands that we are either totaly convinced they are prog, or completly unconvinced as to their single mention in a Progressive Rock database.
 
On my behalf, I can say that I agree with the "genre" and most of its acts. However, seeing, as stated above, that "prog-related doesn't mean progressive rock", then why, regardless of their value as music pieces, do we have Prog-Related albums in the Top 100/250/500? In my view, only strictly progressive rock album ratings should be accounted for the rankings, which do more than indulge our Prog rivalries - they are a source of information and recomendation to outsiders. Sure, there are no PR albums in the first 40, but we can find several starting from nº 41 on, starting with Deep Purple's "Made in Japan".
 
What are your thoughts on this? We can all agree that there are PR albums we might enjoy more than full-blown classic Prog-Albums. But should they count in a list that clearly states in its title "TOP 100 Progressive Music Albums"?
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