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Posted: January 13 2007 at 01:36

clinton is overrated

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Posted: January 13 2007 at 01:31

Jeams Pfirp wrote:

Lincoln was probably the best president ever, but I put my vote on Reagan.

Idem, RR had the balls to do what it was required in the precoise mnoment, if it wasn't for him, John Paul II and Lech Walesa, maybe the USSR would still exist.

EDIT: Just read the previous pages and seen that some people share my opinion and BTW I disagree with Peter, John Paul had a central role in the end of cold war, the Polish sindicates and the situation of the country got more international support since a Polish was elected Pope and he took such a strong position in favor of Walesa.

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Posted: January 13 2007 at 01:13

Lincoln was probably the best president ever, but I put my vote on Reagan.

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Posted: January 10 2007 at 20:50

Harding!

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Posted: January 10 2007 at 20:46

Clinton probably, but I must admit, none of them are that good.

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Posted: January 10 2007 at 06:29

I don't know, he was a bit prog at times...

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Posted: January 08 2007 at 21:53

el böthy wrote:

Ah Clinton...what a cool dude LOL

Yeah, but he's a crappy saxophone player. Wink

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Posted: January 08 2007 at 21:14

Ah Clinton...what a cool dude LOL

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Posted: January 08 2007 at 20:25

Unlike my beautiful latin american lands, The US has been blessed with decent presidents (I don't mean perfect, but if you compare them with the wonders we elect down south, these look like charitable angels). Except Bush, all of them were pretty decent. Yes, Nixon was a crook, but at least he did ONE good thing (opened China).... and that one good thing put him MILES ahead of the current US president.

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Posted: January 06 2007 at 02:01

Clinton is better of course than Bush daddy and Bush baby,.... better than Nixon and Reagan I want Hillarius Clinton or Nancy Pelosi for president and Bush for presid..iary

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Posted: January 06 2007 at 01:39

Of course best US president is a question that would get an obvious answer: Abraham Lincoln or, later, FD Roosevelt; but if this is about modern US presidents, I think Clinton has been the best. JFK could've been the one had he lived longer (had they allowed him to live longer, whoever "they" are) but of the remaining ones, Clinton left the country with a big surplus, an employment rate of great proportions, and specially, he was an harmonic figure abroad (in Latin america "che guevara"-fanatics hate whatever comes from US, but rational people liked Clinton, unlike today's chaotic excuse for a president who is hated everywhere). He had an intern perform something on him, so who cares? I prefer a president with a colorful private life but that helps me eat, feed and go to the doctor than a "moral authority" that helps his partners in the religious right and the oil companies feed, eat and FEAST upon the contituents.

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Posted: January 05 2007 at 23:46

JFK or Clinton.

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Posted: January 05 2007 at 20:15

Lincoln was the greatest president our country ever had. He had the toughest job ever placed on a leader of this president (uniting the North and South), and he did so spectacularly. No other president has had to deal with anything close (the closest being the decision to drop the bomb on Hiroshima), and frankly, no one SHOULD be subjected to what he was.

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Posted: January 04 2007 at 10:48

I've gone for Ike... a decidedly steading influence on US Economics during your post-war boom time of 1952-60, besides his significant contribution to the war...

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Posted: January 03 2007 at 18:16

Bill Clinton was actually a very good President. He eliminated the deficit (remember, we didn't have one at the end of the last administration). He also would have gotten healthcare for everyone. The Republicans had to stop it, just because it came from him.

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Posted: January 03 2007 at 13:33

Arrrghus wrote:

Peter Rideout wrote:

Arrrghus wrote:

Along with John Paul, Gorbachev deserves a LOT of credit for ending the Cold War. (If anything, Reagan deserves very little credit at all).

Yes -- and Solidarity leader Lech Walesa in Poland, too. Don't forget him (and Polish unionism as a whole) -- he was very important in providing the pressures for Gorby to react to.I liked the way Reagan had the courage and foresight to significantly reduce the US nuclear arsenal (and thus Russia's), though.Don't know that I'd give John Paul much credit, as I recall. I'd shake the hands of Walesa and Gorbachev first.

Oh! I've heard of him. Okay, I did some research... and you're absolutely right! Thanks!

You're welcome!

Yeah, I lived through those turbulent, exciting times (I was 20 in 1980), and what was happening in Poland, prior to the dissolution of the Eastern Bloc and the USSR was very important, and very revolutionary. (I remember my older brother had a cool "Solidarnosc" poster on his bedroom wall.)

You have to hand it to Walesa, the Solidarity (Solidarnosc) movement, and the Polish people in general. It was amazing what they accomplished and got away with. (And Gorby didn't send in the Red Army to stomp them -- that was amazing, too.)

We never thought such sweeping changes would happen in our lifetimes, or so rapidly -- it was a thrilling time (like China's subsequent Tianamen Square, but with a much better outcome).

Ordinary people (like Walesa's miners) CAN make a big difference, when they stand united against oppression.

And the hated Wall comes down!

Edited by Peter Rideout - January 03 2007 at 13:37

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Posted: January 03 2007 at 13:19

Peter Rideout wrote:

Arrrghus wrote:

Along with John Paul, Gorbachev deserves a LOT of credit for ending the Cold War. (If anything, Reagan deserves very little credit at all).

Oh! I've heard of him. Okay, I did some research... and you're absolutely right! Thanks!

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Posted: January 03 2007 at 11:15

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Pray to God if they both go and good ol' Nancy Pelosi gets a chance to screw with the country even more than is currently being done

Are you just saying that because she's a democrat or because she would be a bad president? Back it up if the second option applies.

The second option, I don't care about your party if you do a good job (Thus Kennedy as my second choice)

Pelosi disagrees with me however. She talks about bi-partisanship, but what she really means is Democrats win while Republicans sit there looking useless. Pelosi would completly ignore any idea coming from any Conservative, it doesn't matter how good it is. Pelosi would ruin the Presidency by becoming the most selfish, partisan President in history. Her idea of politics isn't promoting good ideas, but just making everyone else's good ideas look like crap.

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Posted: January 03 2007 at 00:56

^ Yep -- Eisenhower was a good'un too, in my books. A good man for the times, with obvious spine and integrity.

I didn't know about his address warning about the growing power of the military-industrial complex. Clap

(Now, joined with right-wing religion, it's in power. Unhappy

)

Pretty impressive and courageous, especially from a former top general!

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Posted: January 03 2007 at 00:29

progismylife wrote:

video vertigo wrote:

I'm surprised Ford is being voted for, he was the only president in history to never become elected president.

He was the only president to never be elected for anything. And he did a good job considering he didn't really ask for it.

I believe Ford was Speaker of the House before becoming President, so he was still an elected offical.

That said, some would say that the reason he had no ambition to become President was exactly why he was suited for the job.

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My vote's for Eisenhower. In his farewell address to the nation in 1961, he warned about the growing danger of what he coined as the "military-industrial complex".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

Dire words that should have been heeded, long ago.

from Wikipedia:

"In the penultimate draft of the address, Eisenhower initially used the term military-industrial-congressional complex, and thus indicated the essential role that U.S. Congress plays in the propagation of the military industry. But, it is said, that the president chose to strike the word congressional in order to placate members of the legislative branch of the federal government."

Edited by Empathy - January 03 2007 at 00:37

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Poll Question: Which modern USA President was the best?
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Eisenhower	5	[11.63%]
Kennedy	5	[11.63%]
Johnson	1	[2.33%]
Nixon	1	[2.33%]
Ford	2	[4.65%]
Carter	1	[2.33%]
Reagan	7	[16.28%]
Bush (senior)	1	[2.33%]
Clinton	19	[44.19%]
Dubyah Bush	1	[2.33%]
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